Shifter nerf

[Daltian]

Changes are good in some way and bad in some way but leaving shifter with 44 ab is really bad. How are we supposed to kill anything?

[Shhhhhhh]

Any chance you could give some info about what changed?
I didnt remake my shifters yet after the whipe and am mighty curious.

[Daltian]

BTW, Harm(Self) works as normal harm too. I belive that wasn't intentional and you probably want to nerf that too.

[Daltian]

All shapes lost ability to merge weapons. Vampire was greatly improved, was given flail with decent damage on it but still has only 44 ab buffed with haste on lvl 35 so weapon is actually useless in any kind of pvp (clerics are whining they have 55 ab and they also have spells, shifter is melee class and gets to have 46 ab at lvl 40 buffed, hilarious).

Undead shapes also got infinite harms that they can cast on themselves which will be probably nerfed too since it can be targeted on enemy and because that will be our only way of dealing damage people will start to whine about it. Ac is down to around 55 (and I am dex based, god help wisdom based shifters, and you need wis if ayou want any other shape besides undead). Pretty much it's a class that has no use in pvp anymore.

[Fezz]

I cannot believe what you have done to shifters. I had a conversation with linux about the previous nerfs, and i agreed with him on some points but come on.

My undead lord fully buffed at 40 had gone from 71 ac 58 ab to wait for it.

52ac 43 ab. This in anyones language is not a nerf, its the destruction of an entire class.

its useless in PvM - absolutely garbage in PvP.

Basically just close the whole class down, and give another PRC to the circle.

Oh well what else can i say.

EDIT - BTW i changed into each elemental, and when ichanged back to human i had 6d12 elemental damage + my normal wpn, just ot let you know

[Reaver.....[RR]]

Can I laugh any harder? Possibly, but I'm afraid of the consequences of chortling up a lung.

A class that has been breakable since inception finally hits the other end of the scale.

[Daltian]

I agree, just ban the shifter class and give something else to TC. This is a joke. Shifter is a melee class, we cant live with 46 ab (fully buffed with blinding speed) at lvl 40.

[Daltian]

Can I laugh any harder? Possibly, but I'm afraid of the consequences of chortling up a lung.

A class that has been breakable since inception finally hits the other end of the scale.

Whats your problem Reaver? I am glad you had a laugh but you really aren't bringing anything constructive to this topic, just gloating. Go troll somewhere else!

And you really have no idea of what shifters have been trough since you just joined the server the other day. Chaotic-evil RP has it's place in game but no need to behave like that in forums.

[Fezz]

here is an idea to make reaper laugh even harder, make SD or weaponmaster TC only - and close shifter if its so much of a pain in the you know where.

[Reaver.....[RR]]

Can I laugh any harder? Possibly, but I'm afraid of the consequences of chortling up a lung.

A class that has been breakable since inception finally hits the other end of the scale.

Whats your problem Reaver? I am glad you had a laugh but you really aren't bringing anything constructive to this topic, just gloating. Go troll somewhere else!

And you really have no idea of what shifters have been trough since you just joined the server the other day. Chaotic-evil RP has it's place in game but no need to behave like that in forums.

Don't misunderstand me. I feel for people who get slapped by it without warning. I'm not laughing at you but rather the inadequacies in the original coding

On a sidenote, I have been around for quite a while. Please don't make presumptions about what I do and do not know. I've made a fair few shifters on NS4. Mostly a while back but eh..

Fezz: Neither really fit the ideal of TC. But it wouldn't really bother me to be honest Personally I think TC could do with Arcane Archer and drop Shifter permanently, but eh.

[Shhhhhhh]

why push to remove shifters? they're an incredibly fun and diverse class to play.
It seems balancing them does take quite some effort yes, and its clear the DM have put quite some effort into it already.
Sure it sucks if you specialized in 1 shape and that one gets nerfed, but usually another one gets buffed and it gives you that excuse to try out a new build.
The biggest problem is probably the lack of information, theres so many forms and shapes and constantly things get altered, which means you kinda need a shifter with all shapes, just so you know whats happening and which shapes are good to focus on.
Anyway I hope this thread doesnt become too negative, the shifter class was actually one of the reasons i started playing ns4 again. So much work and effort was put into it to alter all the different shapes, give them something unique and make them playable, it was great to discover all this by yourself.
So even if they went a bit too far on the nerf atm, it'll get fixed again I'm sure and the shifter will remain very fun to play.

[Eldaquen]

Lvl 37 in air elemental form does all of 8 points of damage to a CR .25 creature....well balanced. The damage listed on character sheet is not really there as the shape weapon (for lack of better name) is not in the database therefore not equipable.

YEA barely able to kill a CR1 creature....thanks.

[Flailer]

If it's not equippable because it's not in the database, don't you think that that's a bug that will get corrected?

Rather than make snippy comments, simply report the bug and wait for the devs to fix it.

Keep it up, and Lokey is liable to 'fix' it the easy way...

[Ryddwillow]

Wow, talk about changes to the negative side. In the past TC had no one in it and then changes came into place and ppl came, now I can see no one in there. History repeating it's self.

[Daltian]

Wow, talk about changes to the negative side. In the past TC had no one in it and then changes came into place and ppl came, now I can see no one in there. History repeating it's self.

Yes. TC will be ghost faction in matter of weeks.