MA and Nexus logging

[Umpa]

You would need a 56 SR to counter a 40 wizards penetration, this is best case. Mords makes it 66. Wizards get 10+level for penetration plus +6 for epic feat.

This also goes for clerics.

If you mixed your wizard with 2 other classes it will be easier to counter.

Making a best of either if failed let it stick, would make the bigbies better. 2 components the physical, AC, the SR the magical. If they fail either then they get Bigbied/hit.

Is there anyone here not taking advantage of the PM, AC, Bard build, voting to keep them unchanged?


This is all great, I'm not having anything to do with relics at this point, if I show up on a raid now its just to kill people.

[MasterYoda]

HMM, first thing I'd like to reply to is the mages are useless thingy, lol. You just have to know how to use a mage is all, I dont like mages actually. I know of only 1 or 2 ppl that can actually use them properly. You could even kill with them without using timestop or bigbies, just have to know ur spells, unless ur fighting another mage that has timestop. I personally think mages are overpowering.

Second is that bard PM's are not unbeatable. You just need to know weaknesses. Even a cleric can beat them without WoF. Again you just need the right stuff and the know how is all. Well thats my 2 cents. Agree or disagree, but this is the way i see it.

Quoted for truth.

The biggest thing from what i have seen is not the builds them selves but the way they are played. It used to be guild vs guild. Faction vs Fasction.

Way back when if someone chugged 1 pot they were considered unfair. NS4 has become build vs build since the start.

Now MA ... have altered the way pvp works. Now for the first time ever .... i spam timestop. I make sure i raid with at least 50 heal pots. I dont build anything fun anymore.

It has changed so much with the new grab + chug + run technique. And im not whining no ... hats off to them for there dominance .... but it only proves so much.

I think the majority of people dont have a problem with your prc ... it might be a bit over powered bt so can shifter kobalds, and rdds, and cots, even dds if built right.

A couple of weeks ago it was slaves , dcn, and bb .... vs tlb. That was the absolute most fun i have had in a long time.

And noone chugged a single pot. Clerics were healing teammates. Tanks were fighting. Mages were being hunted firstr due to there mean ness ( i still owe you a pk Reaper )

But over all it reminded us of what we have been missing.

Only to have ( no more than 10 mins later ) a umd pm with 50 heal pots run in and be blasted by 2 mages to walk out.

There shouldnt be a single class that should be able to do this.

Dragon monk was nerfed. But is still good

AO lost there pali sorc RDD ..... but still good.

Hipser was required 5 levels now ... but still good.

All of the power builds have been nerfed for the better of the community.

Something needs to be done here ... not to make PMs useless ... cause i would hate to see a faction prc be stripped to nothing.

Anyways thats my 2 pennies.

[disastro]

Only to have ( no more than 10 mins later ) a umd pm with 50 heal pots run in and be blasted by 2 mages to walk out.

i've seen a pair of monk sds walk into a cradle room defended by about 10+ toons and walk out with the flag. what is your stance on that?

as it turned out none of the defenders had the right build or enough levels to counter hips, what do you think ought to be done about that? monk/sd is such a fantastically successful combo that about 90% of raiders use it.

pm is a tough build to beat for sure if you are not the right counterbuild, but you DO have a small chance at it. if you are not exactly the right kind of build you have ZERO chance of beating a hipser of even low level (my lv 14 hips toon has run circles around level 40s. it is such a cheap and easy unbeatable tactic that i may drop my use of hips in pvp (i dont use pots either)).

[Ebenezer Grymm]

Umpa needs to read more about how Spell Pen works.

I'm not even gonna bother explaining where he's wrong, it just goes to show not everyone is cut out to be a Wizard.

As far as MA have "altered the way pvp works", that just makes me laugh. The only thing we altered is that now MA is involved in PvP.

You guys are even starting to complain about MA chars using UMD now. I mean really, how many times have you known I was coming with Eb and used UMD to put a spell mantle up. And now it's all "Oh noes, PM's shouldn't be able to use UMD."

Let me break a few things down for ya.

Word of Faith. Should be nerfed.

People dropping relics from one faction to another, ESPECIALLY if the factions aren't aligned, should be banned.

The many people who log 2-3-4 different chars to fight MA (yes I'm talking to u Nog, Umpa, Havok, Chubbs, minielvis, i'm sure i'm missing someone)

The uber item of Death known as the Stalwart Slammer.

These are topics that effect everyone, because they are universal problems to all factions. A good PM build is only being talked about because you are all not used to having MA around and involved, let alone in Havok's own word's "dominant".

I remember just a few days ago LA put up a good defence, and just last night the BB put up an excellent defence. It's more about numbers, and we have them mostly. When other factions have them they do well.

If you enjoy dying in pvp don't drink pots. I like watching Ramius and Sandy have to chug pots like they are drinking ale trying to kill me through my warding and Sheath. And unlike some of you guys, I'm more effective alive than dead.

Bottom line to my little rant here is, and I think Auril said it best the other day, "maybe you should stop whining and start fighting more."

[Umpa]

Comon, you can't compare builds that fail to use Listen or spot at all with a class inbalance, thats just silly.

I have not build a single character in the last year that didn't have some decent skills in each listen or spot, that is easily fixed. Timestop works great on monks, so does BB's with high DC, along with mord, and several other things, also Solars seem to take hipsters apart if you know how to build for them. There are 50 ways to take a SD out, monk or not monk. Can you find 50 ways to take out the pm/bard/UMD? Timestop and spam is the only one that will work, and thats very limited since i can't make time crystals. Monks can't stop to suck to many pots, because they get pounded. Speed and resonable SR is about their only real defense. Both are counterable.

If Pm's were Evil we would all build paladins, case closed.

[Ebenezer Grymm]

And looking at the topic title, it seems Umpa shoulda started a new topic a loooong time ago and just titled it "Nerf PM's! I HATE them!!111!!!"

[disastro]

Comon, you can't compare builds that fail to use Listen or spot at all with a class inbalance, thats just silly.

I have not build a single character in the last year that didn't have some decent skills in each listen or spot, that is easily fixed. Timestop works great on monks, so does BB's with high DC, along with mord,

so you take the time and effort to counterbuild for hips, but not for pms and you want the devs to take care of that bit for you?

and which part of autoquick mords/timestop/igms fails to work against PMs? how about taunt + bigby? how about the bigby that works regardless of AC? harm? curse song? word of faith? firestorm? firebrand? how about run in, time stop while your caster buddy is out of timestop range and you both pound him?

if 2 casters were unable to take down a single pm they have nobody but themselves to blame.. just like i didnt blame anyone but us when those 2 hipsers waded through all 10 defenders and walked out of garagoth with the flag.