ECL 3 races

[Ogami]

Again saying AO is the one of the best faction... Build something that can be considered "one of the best" then. And show us. For real, enough forum speculations. Build a 2 books +2 rdd 30 and make it fight a 2 books +2 half ogre barbarian, with shyte or heavy flail. Consider the rdd unbuffed because half ogre can dispell you with various items. Come on.

[mining]

Wait, what? How can a barbarian dispel anything? Maybe with a celestia cleaver, but thats still 50-50 each cast. I suppose the barb would have a fair chance, but I'll wager the RDD can place a lot more smack down on other builds. Besides, you're deliminating it: Take a ranger 25 / RDD 10 / bard 5 that the Barb will never even hit.

Personally I think 30 RDD is a gimmick, has reduced your factions overall creativity and isn't worth building, but its a strong enough build. Fight it against a melee focused shifter dragon, i.e. Gold, and its really, really close.

[Alkapwn]

My 30 RDD has a sick ab and dmg outbut and killer ac for a strength build not to mention the IKD and Disarm bonuses. Fully buffed i don't think i have a toon in SL that could melee it 1v1 besides a melee cleric and even still with the KD advantage RDDragon for sure. Mr. Chan's is deadly usually takes at least 3 heavy melee toons too take it down quick enough to avoid anyone dying. Considering it has as much DR as a barb and more ab dmg. The only thing it really lost to nerf was the crazy high fear aura which AO gets in their druids anyway.

AO can't make gnomes?

[mining]

Again saying AO is the one of the best faction... Build something that can be considered "one of the best" then. And show us. For real, enough forum speculations. Build a 2 books +2 rdd 30 and make it fight a 2 books +2 half ogre barbarian, with shyte or heavy flail. Consider the rdd unbuffed because half ogre can dispell you with various items. Come on.

Yah, tested, assumed best possible gearing for ogre, 30 RDD, 30 RDD stomped right over the barbarian with buffs, got to about half health. Even gave barb EER Fire 2.

With no buffs on RDD, same outcome, RDD slams the barbarian so hard it doesn't even get a chance to consider chugging as an options. I suppose if you considered the RDD using totally wrong DR types it might be a wee bit closer - AC decided it mostly, could always throw expertise mode on and still hit every hit.


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Stat block for reference:


Barb statblock generally unimpressive, 1.2k hp, typical barb DR, used Drider Exoskeleton.

[CHAT WINDOW TEXT] [Wed Apr 20 22:08:06] OP Pure Barbarian attacks Underpowered RDD : *critical hit* : (16 + 62 = 78 : Threat Roll: 20 + 62 = 82)
[CHAT WINDOW TEXT] [Wed Apr 20 22:08:06] OP Pure Barbarian damages Underpowered RDD: 99 (62 Physical 15 Magical 22 Electrical)

62 AB, crits decent enough:

[CHAT WINDOW TEXT] [Wed Apr 20 22:08:06] Underpowered RDD : Damage Immunity absorbs 43 point(s) of Physical
[CHAT WINDOW TEXT] [Wed Apr 20 22:08:06] Underpowered RDD : Damage Resistance absorbs 20 damage

Throw on 63 more damage on the 7 or so hits and you're talking about badly injured - near death vs dead.

[Ogami]

I know the cleric rdd build ( a pain to level and a dispell bait etc), doubt you made it with two +2 books.
If it has to be even the resources gotta be the same.
2 books barbarian can get to 50 or 52 str, With a +8 weapon i'm pretty sure ab is 65, (also consider prayer potions it becomes 68). 68+d20....
And a barbarian can switch weapon between a purifier halberd (dispell a dc 19 rdd is easy) and a talisid flail.
Also barbarian can have 22 regen (15 base 2 rings 1 belt, 1 cloak 3 boots).
Switching gear barbarian can have 80 taunt. (lose 4 regen only)
If taunt gets trough the barb hits rdd with 10 or 8s.
And start it with a roar.

[Ogami]

Barb dr is 19 +10% immunity.
Rdd dr is 9 +10% immunity.
The rdd with divine might/shield has no room for epic dr.
The little +7 magical reduction can be ignored as anyone has +7 or higher weapons.
Anyway I'm afraid It's going off topic (ECL 3 races). So I'll quit it here. I respect anyone's opinion. You know mine.

[OpalimTeGolim]

After reading Mining's post, I find it hard to quantify the amount of FAIL in Ogami's last two posts. So I won't... Just kidding, it is truly an EPIC FAIL.
If you are not happy with RDD, I think there are many people in SL (including me) who would be more than happy to trade them for SL prestige class.

[Alkapwn]

discipline and spot cross class yes please!

[mining]

I know the cleric rdd build ( a pain to level and a dispell bait etc), doubt you made it with two +2 books.
If it has to be even the resources gotta be the same.
2 books barbarian can get to 50 or 52 str, With a +8 weapon i'm pretty sure ab is 65, (also consider prayer potions it becomes 68). 68+d20....
And a barbarian can switch weapon between a purifier halberd (dispell a dc 19 rdd is easy) and a talisid flail.
Also barbarian can have 22 regen (15 base 2 rings 1 belt, 1 cloak 3 boots).
Switching gear barbarian can have 80 taunt. (lose 4 regen only)
If taunt gets trough the barb hits rdd with 10 or 8s.
And start it with a roar.

Edit: And saying a build is a pain to level = care factor 0. Its like, loads of optimal builds take a game defining feat (i.e. dragon shape, planar turning (less so), PM 30 summon, etc.) on their last level. Its much less hard to level than you'd imagine, you have decent str AB and good dex/cha AC - 80 AC unshifted, AB low with crafted staff
2 +2 books. I dumped wis, took some preepic feats in epic. Its not super-optimal.
Barb took EERs, saves feats, 22 con, EDR, etc. Its not just for hitting things, its for not dying.
If you want to allow for swapping weapons over and over, thats fine, RDD will still win by virtue of throwing on expertise or even improved expertise and just whacking over and over.
Regen is irrelevant, the barbarian takes >120 damage a round.
Taunt = who cares, throw on IE.
Starting with a roar, the end result is the same.

So, yah, if you ignore 2 saves feats, use a +8 weapon (scythe), ignore 2 EERs (RDD kills you much faster) and take 4 great strengths you have much better AB, so the RDD is forced to use IE so that he only hits all his attacks automatically instead of automatically.

[Alkapwn]

Some people just can't build MM. So they give up and whine
Everyone wants an ultimate build that will dominate everything else. It's just not gonna happen.
well unless you build in NC that is.

[Ryddwillow]

Your rk bard fails cause it doesnt get a drow +2charisma and darkness

I have a couple rk 40's and they do extraordinarily well without drow darkness and +4 dodge.
All dwarves get +2 vs poison,spells to begin with which is pretty huge for pvp
I have a couple rk 40's and they do extraordinarily well without drow darkness and +4 dodge
+ all the gnome races
RR/Tlb doesnt seem to have any problems building viable pvp/pvm build.

I can think of just off the top of my head 3 builds that only RK can build that are devastating

Perhaps if Willow spent more time actually building toons and less time running around with a lvl 40 donation bought monk getting pwnd and whining about it, he may see the truth of the matter.

I do spend my time on building and seeing here. You are the person that logs on with another loggin name and says naa, and then logs on with another and says yaa.

My question in your rk builds besides deathaura do you perchance have a DwD?
We all know the basics of any race build here and if not go to NS4wiki and see for yourself. I came into this world as a Dwarf (RK) and remembered the great battles then and now. The politics here are shown but a few factions need help in order to compete in the battle.

How many RK bards do you see? How many RK rangers do you see? How many RK sorcs do you see? RK druids were once something but after the great nerf no more, SO you see RK has so many classes to offer but no good races to use them with. Now go to old LA, they had the races and the classes to compare with another faction. I have seen many a ppl leave as with guilds, I have seen many a ppl come with new guilds. The same main factions keep in pace, why? I have seen some great guilds from RK, but they had problems keeping it great due to low activity there. why? no good races. When the last good wipe came and guilds had to ferry to new factions they chose what they chose. Everyone got a new and fresh start so the server was hopping, but when the essence of the new beginning left and the ppl understood where they are and what faction, they chose the factions that have what suited them. The ppl that stuck to there guild and decided to keep to their faction, when it didn't suit them them they left.

Your rk bard fails cause it doesnt get a drow +2charisma and darkness

Yes tune to your local NS4wiki and the answer are there.

I have a couple rk 40's and they do extraordinarily well without drow darkness and +4 dodge

Yes, ok you have deathaura and a DWD, the plus 4 dodge bonus is vs giants. (are you like new to the server?)

All dwarves get +2 vs poison,spells to begin with which is pretty huge for pvp

This is the norm for all dwarf races. (refer to NS4wiki for info and remember all races get separate bonuses.)

drow darkness

Never complained about it since it is built in for race (refer to NS4wiki for answer)

RR/Tlb doesnt seem to have any problems building viable pvp/pvm build.

Ya, most of them gone, wonder why?

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Barb statblock generally unimpressive, 1.2k hp, typical barb DR, used Drider Exoskeleton.
Quote:
[CHAT WINDOW TEXT] [Wed Apr 20 22:08:06] OP Pure Barbarian attacks Underpowered RDD : *critical hit* : (16 + 62 = 78 : Threat Roll: 20 + 62 = 82)
[CHAT WINDOW TEXT] [Wed Apr 20 22:08:06] OP Pure Barbarian damages Underpowered RDD: 99 (62 Physical 15 Magical 22 Electrical)

62 AB, crits decent enough:
Quote:
[CHAT WINDOW TEXT] [Wed Apr 20 22:08:06] Underpowered RDD : Damage Immunity absorbs 43 point(s) of Physical
[CHAT WINDOW TEXT] [Wed Apr 20 22:08:06] Underpowered RDD : Damage Resistance absorbs 20 damage

Throw on 63 more damage on the 7 or so hits and you're talking about badly injured - near death vs dead.


Throw in a stunner and you are dead bait. Have like 3 ppl keep you busy while the stunner prepares and keeps on whacking you until you get stunned (AC lowered) equals you are dead. Thoughtful in trying, but are deadbait. Dragons are deadbait anymore, reason why no one builds them.

[Ryddwillow]

Some people just can't build MM. So they give up and whine
Everyone wants an ultimate build that will dominate everything else. It's just not gonna happen.
well unless you build in NC that is.

Somebody whined about the assassin class and BAM it happened. My assassin that I built did just fine without any help before the help and yet you talk still?

[Ryddwillow]

Again saying AO is the one of the best faction... Build something that can be considered "one of the best" then. And show us. For real, enough forum speculations. Build a 2 books +2 rdd 30 and make it fight a 2 books +2 half ogre barbarian, with shyte or heavy flail. Consider the rdd unbuffed because half ogre can dispell you with various items. Come on.

Yes I know what to build and have been successful with it, but you need a team of like 4. But since we have to counter with a stun baiter, changes every thing now. RDD/dragons? why the str nor the con or dex transposes, so why would you build it? waste of time ask me. Cross class of skills like disc, and spot big whoop, get stunned makes no difference.

[mining]

Stop using "It can be stunned" as a reason not to build stuff. Most things, (CoTs without feats + paladin, even!) can be stunned by a stunning fist build.

60 fort is disgusting to get.

Re: Builds in RK; all that says is you haven't made them.
There's no difference whatsoever between a svirf ranger/x/HS in RK or TC, it'll be much the same, and they get made in TC, NC, et al.

why the str nor the con or dex transposes, so why would you build it? waste of time ask me.

Wait, what? The main reason to build it (go all out on wis, or cha, for divine feats / spot) is because the stats are set and stuff.

Also, LA isn't a good benchstick for a balanced faction. Cheeze Wiz plays out of there, you know!

[Alkapwn]

Willow's comprehension level astounds me.
Is my sarcasm too subtle?

Deathaura? lol that toon isnt even RK