Word of Faith balance?

[BlkMamba]

a possibility might be to add as an effect of WoF, immunity to WoF for 20 rounds just so it can't be spammed (similarly to wail), in which case the super short duration would be a good drawback, and you could reasonably counter it with Remove Blindness without having to mem as many of them as your opponent has WoFs.

Well hey then lets do this with curse song, dirge and every other ability draining effect straight across the board, fact of the matter is, WoF last alot less longer than many other ability draining effects...quit complaining or you could screw yourself


And for as for not wanting to be blinded, should have pre-planned a toon with SR as a spells with enough lvl's to resist, or used one of them High ECL subraces that have it built in, spells fine the way it is, not the cleric's fault you left yourself vulnerable

[-BannyD-]

Well hey then lets do this with curse song, dirge and every other ability draining effect straight across the board, fact of the matter is, WoF last alot less longer than many other ability draining effects...quit complaining or you could screw yourself

i think everyone should read the posts before replying. never did i suggest ridding the blind off WoF. curse song, dirge, neg energy burst, etc...have no where near the power of WoF. all of them combined cannot lower a targets ac by 20 or more, nothing else can. not to mention -all- of them combined can be removed by a single, easy to acquire, lesser restoration potion that is useable by anyone...meaning everyone can rid of these effects.

all three of those abilities are also much harder to land on a target than WoF is, curse song being the easiest. Curse and dirge are both PBAoEs (point blank) so you have to be near the target itself. Neg enery burst has the range, but not a huge AoE and does nothing like the effect of the collosal WoF.

And for as for not wanting to be blinded, should have pre-planned a toon with SR as a spells with enough lvl's to resist, or used one of them High ECL subraces that have it built in, spells fine the way it is, not the cleric's fault you left yourself vulnerable

so once again you are suggesting a cleric to fight a cleric. with this logic, soon the server would have nothing but clerics, since people would be reluctant to play an ECL 3, and any sort of diversity in battle would be lost.

im asking for something to be done so that the application of WoF needs some thought to it. currently you dont have to aim, you dont have to hope the blind hits..because it will. its an effect that is stronger than any other single spell on an area.

another suggestion to modify it...would be limit the amount of targets it can affect to the caster level. something like 1 target per 7 caster levels. that way summons will kill the AoE power of this spell just like they do IGMS.

[BlkMamba]

all of them combined cannot lower a targets ac by 20 or more, nothing else can.

This only applies for Dex builds...my cleric has dex for ac to...he doesnt loose 20 pts....only about 5, soo this cant be critizied across the board. Use Armor, problem solved, my armored base toon losses 1 pt of ac, big deal.

all three of those abilities are also much harder to land on a target than WoF is, curse song being the easiest. Curse and dirge are both PBAoEs (point blank) so you have to be near the target itself. Neg enery burst has the range, but not a huge AoE and does nothing like the effect of the collosal WoF.

as i said...they also last alot longer

[havelot]

To me, the matter is simple: the NS4 mod should not do unexpected things. And I think it must be conceded that the 20+ drop in AC to dexers when blinded (and, I guess, wearing robes) is unexpected - i.e., it's not documented anywhere or seemingly talked about in NWN threads (though maybe on this last point, someone has better knowledge). Things should work as expected. If the majority decides the present functionality is the way NS4 should work, I'm fine with that (though BannyD obviously wouldn't be). But at least one would not be in the situation of having spent a fair amount of time building a toon based on false assumptions.

[Death Dealer1]

it is pretty funny though. the problem is pretty much solved up, a feat isn't working the way it is supposed to so maybe we could focus on that problem. the only answer the cleric crowd can come up with is build a cleric yourself....or use a tank with armor.

so why can't we all get together and figure out why this one feat isn't working the way its intended instead of just telling everyone "if you don't like the way it is build a cleric or be something with natural SR"?

[BlkMamba]

"if you don't like the way it is build a cleric or be something with natural SR"?

And for as for not wanting to be blinded, should have pre-planned a toon with SR as a spells with enough lvl's to resist, or used one of them High ECL subraces that have it built in, spells fine the way it is, not the cleric's fault you left yourself vulnerable

heh we agree on something DD1, amazing

[kingfatzo]

page 4 !!! wow guys !

yeap and that is right, my builds are not always bilinded by WoF , maybe the slaves should change their strategy

[Mr. O'Dearly]

Ok, cmon, the problem with uncanny dodge has been brought to the devs attention. All thats left now is ranting about how terrible everyone elses builds are.

Wheres Chase when you need him...

[Metis]

I dont have his flair of images...

The dodge is noted and it seems to really noticable during blindness but I don't see this as a high priority since effort should be put into other things planes, pure class bonuses (very cool and a very big pain in the arse), and of course the day to day things.

There are 5 sizes for aoe and I thought for a bit to reduce it 1-2 sizes but that is not a fix unless some easy fix comes along best I can say is deal with it, tired of raiders sapmming it use mantle pots or scrolls even cheaper have a wizard crank out a bunch of remove blindness.

On that note nothing more can be said even if people still want to point fingers

//edit see my post count? now theres a sign