Thank you to our new dev

[Tsavong]

con focus allready has alot: summons, black blade vs death, some AOE spells and a damage shield its not a waste I can see why bigby was changed back to evo only.

[Daral0085]

18 40's nerfed, everyone, and i cant even dual log, lvl'd each one by itself

I got 99 40's nerfed and a wiz ain't one.

[BlkMamba]

18 40's nerfed, everyone, and i cant even dual log, lvl'd each one by itself

I got 99 40's nerfed and a wiz ain't one.

Someday's i really wish i could help stupid
but that day shall never come

[Finnoker]

When i decided to focus on con it was 4 good BB hands not for black blade vs death, some AOE spells and a damage shield.

[mining]

18 40's nerfed, everyone, and i cant even dual log, lvl'd each one by itself

If you think bigbies are useless, give god damn feedback - stop the mentality of "Its in the changelog, its set in stone". I'm willing to discuss bigbies with everyone, tone down, move up...

The real losers from this? MA, because their PMs no longer have a killer hand. MASL lacks a killer melee PRC in the way TCNC or AORK have them. To generalize, bigby isn't just a gimme spell anymore. You need to focus it for best results.

A: our PrC has alway's been completely garbage in pvp, so, since we cant use melee to kill anything, we use our mages

WMs, SDs, Paladins, DWDs aren't useless, you use thousands of pure fighters, battleclerics, stunners, etc.

C: so mr cot or shifter by himself runs into rk and grab, well, this is just awesome, since we have basically no way
to keep them from being right on top of the mage, we can pull him right on top of the mage, but, then the mage
but thats like a death wish.

At 66 AB, your bigby 6 has a decent chance to hit a dispelled CoT, and in doing so whack him for a pile of damage + hit him around the place.

[BlkMamba]

I"m not argueing this anymore

[Lokey]

Reasons i'm not ok with this:

A: our PrC has alway's been completely garbage in pvp, so, since we cant use melee to kill anything, we use our mages...

Wait, what? Also was efficacy of previous bigby spells v. 70+ ac covered somewhere I missed?

[Amoenotep]

yeah...he said DwD sucks

[Tru3Fals3]

dwd does suck, its completely useless for defending against anything, especially CoTs, shifters, PMs, RDDs even Assassins. Im tired of people (IE Mining..) who dont have a freaking clue about them begging for nerfs, youve got to be kidding me, the day u kill a cot with a real dwd (ie not a 35 cleric/wiz version which would be much better not being a dwd) is the day i eat my hat and laugh at the worst CoT ever.


i have a max int wizard Pressure [RR], 35 wizard/5 ranger, 10 great ints, esf conj, gsf evo, +4int book and all. This was an rk only build

bigby 9 used to hit ac 76 on a 20 (the rebuild was gonna be 57+d20 on lvl 9 bigs, hit 77ac on a 20)
it now takes 3ac off opponents, 4 if i change focus
(my personal opinion, this is an AWFULL change, you turned a LEVEL 9 spell into junk, im not gonna waste lvl 9 slots on -4ac, even combined with lvl 6 bigby, its a waste of a spell (esp a 9 slot) when every move counts) im not just talking [censored], i play a lot of mages, i see a lot of feedback from peeps without a clue how to play mages (no offense). ooo i raid my own guildmates with my crappy ma mages, i know everything.... yeah right (alesteir, crazy, burra being exceptions, they could play mages).

bigby 7 used to slow any player/mob for one round then let them free for one round over and over till it ran out (people never passed the tumble checks)
now it pulls enemies directly next to me and slows them for 3 rounds, fails to do anything half the time against high strength toons (ie shifters), doesnt slow anything with fom but does still pull them, for pressure, this spell is pretty much suicide, but may be diff for others, the last thing i want is a CoT, shifter, monk, fighter, barb etc standing next to my 43ac mage with 550hp....

bigby 6 was the same except the knockdown was longer an the ab was much lower at 50+d20 and the kd was easily resisted by high disc toons,
now its 60+d20, if i swap my focuses i could have 62+d20ab on it, this spell has improved and would now be the go-to bigbies, always pushes toons back, but doesnt always kd, only effects opponents once in a round, kd at only 3secs is too short, they can get up and be running at me by next spell. ive crit people for 330 damage (no resist) after the changes, on average it does 130-150 damage of the bludge variety, very nice.

[Delisha Zrazorian]

Im tired of people (IE Mining..) who dont have a freaking clue about them begging for nerfs

How totally delusional to believe that Mining had any thing to do with this!

*hands out milk, cookies and snuggie*

Take a nap...

Maybe when you wake up you'll be an adult!


at your service,
DZ

[Nyeleni]

Actually, without him this change wouldn't have happened . But it's delusional to think that devs and DMs really do listen to players in a way as we sometimes believe. And Mining certainly only was the executioner of this change. He isn't that long in this job to change things all by himself. Which doesn't happen anyway. I think they have to reach a consensus, at least I hope so...
And whining will almost always have the opposite effect. If they change something, it's because they have seen it firsthand. And they think it is unbalanced.

[Tru3Fals3]

the more i think about the more i think that the 6 and 9 should be switched, the 6 is way more powerfull now and the nine is a waste of a spell slot at lvl 9 but not at only lvl 6, id also suggest increasing the kd time to one full round though and changing it to make some kind of check for kd instead of just auto if attack roll over 10.

and neither of you two above can actually read (you just pick out different parts and apply them to suit yourselves )..... i was referring to dwds and minings ridiculous threads/irc rants trying to have them nerfed.

[BlkMamba]

Bigbies Crushing Hand, Raw Fort or be Crushed and Paralized
mahahaha

Well, everyones gotta dream right?

[Tsavong]

Oh if only

[Nyeleni]

the more i think about the more i think that the 6 and 9 should be switched, the 6 is way more powerfull now and the nine is a waste of a spell slot at lvl 9 but not at only lvl 6, id also suggest increasing the kd time to one full round though and changing it to make some kind of check for kd instead of just auto if attack roll over 10.

and neither of you two above can actually read (you just pick out different parts and apply them to suit yourselves )..... i was referring to dwds and minings ridiculous threads/irc rants trying to have them nerfed.

I agree with the switch of lvl6 and 9.

As for reading: I admit I haven't read it all what you wrote. And my answer was for Delisha and less for you. As for the delusional part, it wasn't only directed at you, Truefalse. There were at least two voices who implied that Mining was solely responsible and biased against other factions than NC and TC.