Character build contests

[Eldaquen]

Typical, purposed changes are just a desire at this point but people are already trying to cause a nerf to TC. Thanks for nothing.

Since 4 pages into this thread, and since now on a tangent to post builds to cause nerfs to a rival faction; just going to repost rules of contest so you dont have to go back to page 2:

Character Build Contest #1:

Objectives:

1) Usable in high end PVM and PVP.
2) Low book usage - I'm talking "Oh, and if you get a str book, throw it on, it'll make it better and be worth it" or "If you have a dex book, you can shuffle blinding at 36 and ESF discipline at 24"
3) Lower ECL is better, but I'm not going to stifle creativity and Azerbloods, hehe
4) More factions is better, doesn't super matter, though.
5) More important than the last few points: Levelable. If I see Dragonshape builds that get dragon at 40, they will get slapped.
6) Reasonable to gear. If it gets sub-40s in saves with pre-30 + IA gear, there needs to be a good reason why. Weapon choice matters - if you choose dagger, explain why you're undisarmable, and stat out with a +6, not a LLoth dagger .

Getting construct shape at level 39 is just as bad as taking dragon at 40.

[Lokey]

Just think what AO could do with dev crit everything and rdd

It's contingent on a few things and a lot of elbow grease, and is still in the pipe dream stage. Tep is still dusting off his abacus on the whole saving throw thing anyway. If so we're only talking dev crit for the two-handers and a narrow range of one handers.

[report]

Just think what AO could do with dev crit everything and rdd

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Easy: dc 55 every crit , save it or death. Pm=immune, shifter=immune, cot=immune, trickery clerics=practically immune (60 str hogre can ever spot em?), fighters and barbarians with 55+ fort= immune, who ever has built good enough to resist stunfist (55+fort)= immune.
Con based pure wizards with 45 fort and balor and a transgaming strategy (20 times or so till headache) = PWND!

[Eldaquen]

Thread still on tangent but for the record only 2 shifter feat would be immune, and all the others would be just as susceptible to devastating crit as any other build, and some even more so. Shifter builds tend to be 20+ shifter levels with very few druid levels, which means if it is a shifter then the build won't have elemental shape. Druid's would be very susceptible to devastating crit unless they were always are played in an elemental form (17 druid for weak version or 20+ for mediocare form). Also to clarify an elemental build is a melee form of druid with would just have enough druid levels for the shape.

So the shifter = immune is not true...only construct and undead shape shifters would be. Shifters if built properly are built to be played in 1 shape. There are not enough feats in the build progression to use any other. If build for non-epic shapes then the build won't have any options to be immune to dev crit because wont have construct, undead, and wont have elemental shape.

[Korr]

Thread still on tangent but for the record only 2 shifter feat would be immune, and all the others would be just as susceptible to devastating crit as any other build, and some even more so. Shifter builds tend to be 20+ shifter levels with very few druid levels, which means if it is a shifter then the build won't have elemental shape. Druid's would be very susceptible to devastating crit unless they were always are played in an elemental form (17 druid for weak version or 20+ for mediocare form). Also to clarify an elemental build is a melee form of druid with would just have enough druid levels for the shape.

So the shifter = immune is not true...only construct and undead shape shifters would be. Shifters if built properly are built to be played in 1 shape. There are not enough feats in the build progression to use any other. If build for non-epic shapes then the build won't have any options to be immune to dev crit because wont have construct, undead, and wont have elemental shape.

I think the point was more that shifters have that option...

Though if you play it like that, all wiz/sorcs have the option too! (LEARN TO USE SHAPECHANGE FOOLS!)

[mining]

Thread still on tangent but for the record only 2 shifter feat would be immune, and all the others would be just as susceptible to devastating crit as any other build, and some even more so. Shifter builds tend to be 20+ shifter levels with very few druid levels, which means if it is a shifter then the build won't have elemental shape. Druid's would be very susceptible to devastating crit unless they were always are played in an elemental form (17 druid for weak version or 20+ for mediocare form). Also to clarify an elemental build is a melee form of druid with would just have enough druid levels for the shape.

So the shifter = immune is not true...only construct and undead shape shifters would be. Shifters if built properly are built to be played in 1 shape. There are not enough feats in the build progression to use any other. If build for non-epic shapes then the build won't have any options to be immune to dev crit because wont have construct, undead, and wont have elemental shape.

I think the point was more that shifters have that option...

Though if you play it like that, all wiz/sorcs have the option too! (LEARN TO USE SHAPECHANGE FOOLS!)

So do all rangers (undead polymorph), clerics (same), rogues, assassins, bards.

[Daltian]

Aranea amulet gives the polymorph spell too so one could tell that everyone is immune to crits.

Now that we are talking about polymorph spell. Why don't you make zombie from polymorph super tough but laughably slow. So slow that it would take 10 minutes to cross one zone. It would be greatest thing ever. We could even have zombies events.

BRAINZ!!

[Eldaquen]

Well if the point is shifters' have options, then in that line of thought all builds have options. The builder has the choice to build con based anything with class progression to maximize fort and take all fort feats so immune to dev crit. If using the have options argument then I don't see why it was necessary to bring up any specific class at all.

[Rufio]

Worrying about dev crit right now is a little pointless. Remember that mining is talking about a complete re-balancing of saves before the devs even consider adding it back in.

[Lokey]

I just don't understand. If the proposed dev crit is a problem, you're dying to the million fort saves you have to make now anyway. Nothing changes except you die from one other thing lol.

[Rufio]

The problem is that people don't seem to realize dev crit would be balanced with all the other fort saves that people would need to be making and that all those saves would be balanced with the saves of players as well. People just seem to be judging the power of dev crit with no changes to player saves.

[mining]

you're dying to the million fort saves you have to make now anyway

[report]

dev crit wont add anything interesting in ns4, and rdd isnt really having a plus for it, since there is the 5 min levels restriction, you cant build fighter 28 bard 2 rdd 10 like elsewhere. Would work better with fighters and wms here.
Balancing saves is pointless, they're fine already. There are a lot unbalanced things that are waiting to be fixed. Ao npcs not casting uv or ts, not dispelling anything and are too easy to kill (unlike ma golems, keep healing them with a cleric sd). Speaking of sd.. Nobody can fight certain sd clerics 1 on 1. Maybe with archer, but takes 13 mins and a certain skill mastery with magic devices, (ill show ya one day) . Try with your wis based spellspammer cleric, you will be simply outmeleed. (ice storms, even if they are so lame to go past sr and mantle, cant do more damage than the hp restored by cleric sd spells).
And the worst thing, Chirrem is still HARASSING people!

[Daltian]

dev crit wont add anything interesting in ns4, and rdd isnt really having a plus for it, since there is the 5 min levels restriction, you cant build fighter 28 bard 2 rdd 10 like elsewhere. Would work better with fighters and wms here.
Balancing saves is pointless, they're fine already. There are a lot unbalanced things that are waiting to be fixed. Ao npcs not casting uv or ts, not dispelling anything and are too easy to kill (unlike ma golems, keep healing them with a cleric sd). Speaking of sd.. Nobody can fight certain sd clerics 1 on 1. Maybe with archer, but takes 13 mins and a certain skill mastery with magic devices, (ill show ya one day) . Try with your wis based spellspammer cleric, you will be simply outmeleed. (ice storms, even if they are so lame to go past sr and mantle, cant do more damage than the hp restored by cleric sd spells).
And the worst thing, Chirrem is still HARASSING people!

Except you can build Dev crit DC 57, EDR3, 900 hp,UMD, fire immune, high ab monster with RDD. Yes, I guess you can build better with fighter and wms here if you use a + 14 STR book we all get every other Tuesday.

[mining]

A cleric/SD is disgustingly op in a 1v1? Who knew. It's not like I commented on this in my sig like half a year ago or something, lol.