The death hold zone thing

[Tsavong]

Rainswept the rules for changing between toons and what's vange logging are vary clearly spelt out in the commandments. They are one of the sticky topics at the top of his part of the NS4 forums.

http://www.nsrealm.com/public/ns/viewto ... =18&t=1828

V - Thou shalt not relog any character to exact revenge on a lost PvP fight, whether higher or lower in level than your original character. In the case of defending your faction city, this will be allowed if you do not change the faction of your original character. Relogging a character is not allowed in order to raise fallen comrades if the area around the bodies is still in the midst of active PvP involving the same players that killed you or your party.

VI - Thou shalt not relog any character during a relic raid, except to relog a defender character, unless a period of 30 minutes has passed since your last attempt with your original character. This includes any character involved in the transportation of relics.

It seems quite clear to me.

Though may be they should be an announcement so there easer to find.

[Rainswept]

All that says is that you can relog to defend your home. Is it the intent of devs that once you enter PVP, you may swap to a defending toon and after that you're "stuck" on him, and are not then allowed to raid at all, until you have taken 30 minutes off from PVP? If so that's not even been close to followed.

[Tsavong]

Well as logging a defender character is the only exception to the rules I would agree with you that you are then stuck on it. I have always thought that once you logged a defender you could not go back to the character you were on be for to pvp or raid there for if I wanted to raid I would use the character I had logged to defend.

and are not then allowed to raid at all, until you have taken 30 minutes off from PVP?

I'm not sure where you got that from they say you must wate 30 minuets be for changing characters in relic war or pvp except to relog a defender character from the same faction.

[diddy33]

this whole thread started about a person holding a relic room. . then turned into an attack on dual logging. . they stated in the begginnning that the person that was holding the relic room wasn't even a dual logger. . . i say we put the auto respawn back in. lower it down to 5 minutes, if you don't get a raise in 5 minutes while leveling anyway you probably weren't going to get one.

[Rainswept]

I'm not sure where you got that from they say you must wate 30 minuets be for changing characters in relic war or pvp except to relog a defender character from the same faction.

Here:

Thou shalt not relog any character during a relic raid, except to relog a defender character, unless a period of 30 minutes has passed since your last attempt with your original character. This includes any character involved in the transportation of relics.

As I read it, once you get into pvp, you can swap to defend, but then you can do no pvp except to defend your own faction. (Unless you wait 30 minutes)

[frogofpeace]

this whole thread started about a person holding a relic room. . then turned into an attack on dual logging. . they stated in the begginnning that the person that was holding the relic room wasn't even a dual logger. . . i say we put the auto respawn back in. lower it down to 5 minutes, if you don't get a raise in 5 minutes while leveling anyway you probably weren't going to get one.

Agreed

[Rainswept]

Is it possible to script autorespawn only in the relic cradles?

[cRaZy8or5e]

this whole thread started about a person holding a relic room. . then turned into an attack on dual logging. . they stated in the begginnning that the person that was holding the relic room wasn't even a dual logger. . . i say we put the auto respawn back in. lower it down to 5 minutes, if you don't get a raise in 5 minutes while leveling anyway you probably weren't going to get one.

Agreed

ditto

[weasel423]

I'm not sure where you got that from they say you must wate 30 minuets be for changing characters in relic war or pvp except to relog a defender character from the same faction.

Here:

Thou shalt not relog any character during a relic raid, except to relog a defender character, unless a period of 30 minutes has passed since your last attempt with your original character. This includes any character involved in the transportation of relics.

As I read it, once you get into pvp, you can swap to defend, but then you can do no pvp except to defend your own faction. (Unless you wait 30 minutes)

... unless you go raiding with the toon you logged to defend your faction once the defense is done

[Rainswept]

As I said before, it really needs clarification, because raiding with a toon you logged

In the case of defending your faction city

seems to me to be against the rules.

[weasel423]

As I said before, it really needs clarification, because raiding with a toon you logged

In the case of defending your faction city

seems to me to be against the rules.

Not really... You are raiding with X. You log Y to defend. By the time you defend and get somewhere else with toon Y to raid, MOST of the time it has been 30 min since you were raiding with toon X.

What would be against the rules is raiding with X, logging to defend with Y, then logging X back in to raid.

[Rainswept]

Again, that's how you read it. This line:

unless a period of 30 minutes has passed since your last attempt with your original character. This includes any character involved in the transportation of relics.

Has always been explained to me to mean 30 minutes of non-pvp, otherwise it would mean you could swap toons every 30 minutes if you wanted, which could really boil down to every raid, or every other raid. Even then, if the 30 min hasn't passed, and someone raids a different spot, can you then log yet another defender to defend yet another faction? Yesterday the relics got reset and four factions were raided instantaneously, could a player who had toons in all four swap between them, then choose his best one to raid?

It needs clarification/simplification IMO.

[Tsavong]

reloging stuff

It probably needs common-sense to be used. I'm sure Tep will come along call us idiots and tell us how it works soon enough.

I think you should have started your owe topic about it Rainswept as I'm not sure what it has to do with dead guy zone holding

i say we put the auto respawn back in. lower it down to 5 minutes

Wouldn't a 5 minuet auto respown for the whole server be like using a sledge hammer to crack a nut in the case of holding a screen with a dead guy?

[Nyeleni]

As I said before, it really needs clarification, because raiding with a toon you logged

In the case of defending your faction city

seems to me to be against the rules.

Not really... You are raiding with X. You log Y to defend. By the time you defend and get somewhere else with toon Y to raid, MOST of the time it has been 30 min since you were raiding with toon X.

What would be against the rules is raiding with X, logging to defend with Y, then logging X back in to raid.

The 30 min. are counted after defending. If you relog to your raiding char its against the rules. You can still raid with the defender of course.

[Bishop99]

If there could be a cradleroom exclusive auto-respawn script that would be ideal.

I really think we should go back to bashing dual-loggers...
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