Ring a Ring a Roses, Pocket Full of Pwnage

uFiS · Post by **uFiS** » Wed Dec 06, 2006 12:39 am

Sparky wrote:A long time ago we discussed implementing a respawn time if killed in an area while a relic raid is underway, to prevent the Lemming style combat that seems to pop up every now and then, but nothing came of it at the time.

Maybe its something we should look into again?

This has my vote.

Post by **Zing** » Wed Dec 06, 2006 12:44 am

uFiS wrote:
Sparky wrote:A long time ago we discussed implementing a respawn time if killed in an area while a relic raid is underway, to prevent the Lemming style combat that seems to pop up every now and then, but nothing came of it at the time.

Maybe its something we should look into again?
This has my vote.

There's nothing I can code which can combat that much stupidity.

Celorn · Post by **Celorn** » Wed Dec 06, 2006 12:13 pm

Zing wrote: Logging a Monk in next to a cradle and then running around in circles from the NPC defenders (because they would murder you) until it gives you the relic was a pretty pathetic tactic that we saw being used.

OOOH Zing BURN!! Hmm..who could you be talking about...hmm glad we weren't the only ones who thought this was lame (although it looks like it's still happening, just takes a bit longer).

Zing wrote: However, grabbing relics should not 'have' to be about tanking it out with half the server. If you are sneaky you can still have all of the defenders killed before the cradle alerts anyone that you are there.

Does the cradle still take 90 seconds to weaken after or is the relic free immediately? (I took the week off of relic raiding --so I can actually gather some gear since I lost a bunch in a crash-- so I haven't experienced the new system).

Zing wrote: There has been a lot of talk in the past about Sleeth for example having a open area for a relic cradle home. Now, the advantage to this (apart from the dragon really coming into play now) is that attackers have a potentially larger search area to purge the defenders.

1. a) What about certain guild halls that open right into the area with the relic? b) If guild halls are effected now does that mean that mules will port away if they happen to be logging at the wrong time?

2. What about MA people using the rift portal right beside the cradle to port in and out to defend? Is their nexus considered within the 3 maps?

3. how about a timed relic reset time? With the increased effort with relic ganking, there could be even more hording of relics.

But anyhow, good work! The relic system needed some work to make it a bit more interesting.

Post by **TheBestDeception** » Wed Dec 06, 2006 12:33 pm

Celorn wrote:3. how about a timed relic reset time? With the increased effort with relic ganking, there could be even more hording of relics.

You are basically telling us that because your faction can no longer gank relics [EDIT] as effectively [/EDIT], you are going to be at a disadvantage. How about learning to fight for relics instead of simply ganking, and maybe the changes wouldn't be as much of an issue.

Post by **Zing** » Wed Dec 06, 2006 12:49 pm

Please consider the relic log web as a work in progress.

If you know of an area that is being logged into for relic defense without penalty that is very close to the relic (read within 2 transistions) call

1-800-ZINGPWN

I thank you.

Celorn · Post by **Celorn** » Wed Dec 06, 2006 12:49 pm

TheBestDeception wrote:
Celorn wrote:3. how about a timed relic reset time? With the increased effort with relic ganking, there could be even more hording of relics.
You are basically telling us that because your faction can no longer gank relics, you are going to be at a disadvantage. How about learning to fight for relics instead of simply ganking, and maybe the changes wouldn't be as much of an issue.

We can gank all we want, but it gets tiresome... since so many people have piled into AO (bandwagoners) half the server comes to defend AO, and even if someone caps a couple, 5 minutes later someone from AO is hitting the cradle...

Post by **TheBestDeception** » Wed Dec 06, 2006 2:17 pm

Celorn wrote:We can gank all we want, but it gets tiresome... since so many people have piled into AO (bandwagoners) half the server comes to defend AO, and even if someone caps a couple, 5 minutes later someone from AO is hitting the cradle...

I think you've clearly shown the problem not to be the system, but instead the loyalty the AO defenders have to the relic. Try recruiting more loyal defenders to LA, and it wouldn't be an issue.

As well, whereas it may feel to the attackers that half the server comes to defend AO, that has never actually occurred. For those of AO: consider it a congratulatory statement, as your presence of up to 6 defenders (more often than not, 2-3) feels like 20+.

Post by **Amoenotep** » Wed Dec 06, 2006 2:35 pm

it makes me think back before the wipe when everyone wanted to be in SL because they had the relics for weeks at a time as no one could get them back.

kingfatzo · Post by **kingfatzo** » Wed Dec 06, 2006 2:42 pm

TheBestDeception wrote: You are basically telling us that because your faction can no longer gank relics [EDIT] as effectively [/EDIT], you are going to be at a disadvantage.

you might as well have saved the effort in posting and said nothing at all... go call Zings hotline...

if you have ever played on reflections -- especially within the first month or so of its existance, relic resets were extremly common ....sometimes as often as every 24-36 hours

...maybe those who find the need to hoarde all of the time should be made to work a little bit more ...it is a two way street , a change can effect any faction who holds them at the time.....

TheBestDeception wrote: How about learning to fight for relics instead of simply ganking, and maybe the changes wouldn't be as much of an issue.

HAHAHAHHA ! ..... there's some AO HYPOCRACY there

Post by **TheBestDeception** » Wed Dec 06, 2006 3:09 pm

kingfatzo wrote:

Edited for readability and substance.

Other than when a change is made to the relic system, I simply do not see the reason for a script to take the place of player initiative in the relic game.

Lorkar1 · Post by **Lorkar1** » Wed Dec 06, 2006 3:18 pm

TheBestDeception wrote: Other than when a change is made to the relic system, I simply do not see the reason for a script to take the place of player initiative in the relic game.

I dont see it that way. I see the relic reset as the whim of the gods to be done when the gods feel their children need to goto bed without dessert because they cannot kill each other nicely.

Post by **TheBestDeception** » Wed Dec 06, 2006 3:20 pm

Lorkar1 wrote:I dont see it that way. I see the relic reset as the whim of the gods to be done when the gods feel their children need to goto bed without dessert because they cannot kill each other nicely.

So you see relic resets as punishment to the server, that just so happens to benefit you?

Lorkar1 · Post by **Lorkar1** » Wed Dec 06, 2006 3:22 pm

Just curious...where and how would it benefit me?

Post by **TheBestDeception** » Wed Dec 06, 2006 3:30 pm

Lorkar1 wrote:Just curious...where and how would it benefit me?

My apologies, I was under the impression that you played on NS4 prime, in which case a relic reset would de-centralize the relics, allowing for easy pickings in the non-defended factions (NC, TC, SL, MA).

Squikker2001 · Post by **Squikker2001** » Wed Dec 06, 2006 3:36 pm

Whew! It's getting hot in here!

*turns on the AC*

It has been said before, but relics are not the point of the server... Geez, you people take this too seriously. I have almost exclusivly NC characters, and have maybe seen a relic bonus about 4 times for NC, and yet I am still happy and have fun playing.