More arrows!

Gil-Este · Post by **Gil-Este** » Fri Apr 30, 2004 8:40 pm

AndrewCarr wrote:s sword is finesse but listed as pierceing in the toolset.

lol I am slipping on my DnD knowledge. I assumed cuz longsword is slashing shortsword would be too, my mistake. thanks for catching it.

ATI wrote:A hahahaha, come on, if your a knight you should be smarter than that and get the archers to kill the pikemen.

But there is a problem.... No horse back riding in the game

No Knights

No pikemen, so the example doesn't pertain to NS4. And as you can see in British history The knights didn't change their tactics ( a lot of knights died...but the British won!) So does that mean I win?

that doesn't mean it doesn't apply as an analogy. and you said it yourself, if pikemen slaughter knights, then get the archers to kill the pikemen. if your class can't beat their class, then party up with someone who can take them out. analogies, aren't they wonderful

AndrewCarr · Post by **AndrewCarr** » Fri Apr 30, 2004 8:46 pm

Yeah, i wasn't sure about a couple when i made my argument so i checked. Was pretty disappointed.

Gil-Este · Post by **Gil-Este** » Fri Apr 30, 2004 8:52 pm

ok going over the PHB. light slashing weapons: sickle, throwing axe, handaxe, kukri, kama. light bludgeoning weapons: light mace, light hammer, sap, light shield, nunchaku, sai

i realize not all of these are in NWN (NWN's loss) but there is the list

even the best archer should recognize that in order to utilize your full potential you must use all the tools at hand and not be limited to only one. robin hood used a sword when a bow was no longer viable.

"fegalas?"
"we're straight. just merry."

QuickLightning · Post by **QuickLightning** » Fri Apr 30, 2004 11:28 pm

I'm sorry...I'm a very very avid AA player and I think what you're saying is silly powergaming...A few dmg points isn't going to matter that much honestly...ever RP-Based AA build can have a good 25-35 dmg per shot, 25% resistance isn't going to stop too much of it...remember archer types are more scouts and support then the real dmg dealers/tanks...thats what fighters and mages are for

You can do plenty of dmg w/ 5 attacks per round with such insane ab that you only miss on rolls of 1's and attacking before the enemy is even within range to use spells (archers can shoot like x3 the range spells must be casted) all-in-all, archers ARE ballanced the way that are quite honestly IMO.

powerferret · Post by **powerferret** » Sat May 01, 2004 12:29 am

also....whats is so bad about a handaxe?? isnt it 1d6 with x3 crit? and it is a small wepon so it gets the wepon finesse bonus

AndrewCarr · Post by **AndrewCarr** » Sat May 01, 2004 2:04 am

I don't plan on seeing many good handaxes being around. One thing that solves this i guess is to craft one. But, if there comes a point where dropped items or dm made ones are better, then i doubt good handaxes will be in supply, while longswords and [censored] swords and more prominent weapons will be.

[Edit:] Crappy grammar.

Post by **DeputyDog** » Sat May 01, 2004 9:32 am

Start crafting. There are some high end arrows that do 2 dmg types.

There are alos arrows that drop that have elemental properties.

There may be a way down the road to buy diff types of arrows.

Arrows are very powerful. You can hit from very far away and you cannot run from a bow effectivly. Giving them bonuses to diff dmg types would make them almost insane, so I think we need to fully test them in high lvl combat first.

I have been testing a lvl 19 AA and he can take down mobs long before the party even sees them.

JesterOI · Post by **JesterOI** » Sat May 01, 2004 7:00 pm

It's not such a big deal...
Put extra arrows in the archer shops.
A different stack for each quality level and physical damage type.
Same with bolts, bullets, darts, shurikens, and throwing axes.

Daltian · Post by **Daltian** » Sat May 01, 2004 11:42 pm

sep caldessian wrote:use a sling?

Sling does piercing damage too!

Gil-Este · Post by **Gil-Este** » Sun May 02, 2004 12:01 am

look everyone, nobody has so much resist and immune that you can't kill them. unless i missed the memo, noone is walking around out there with a Dhara Belt, two RoS's, and God Armor. So everyone is killable. Really, what do you people want? Should everyone strip down naked because armor makes it unfair for people with a low attack bonus? Should everyone use the same kind of weapon because different weapons dealing different amounts of damage and having different crit ranges and modifiers is unbalancing? No? I didn't think so.

JesterOI · Post by **JesterOI** » Sun May 02, 2004 12:55 am

Gil-Este wrote:look everyone, nobody has so much resist and immune that you can't kill them. unless i missed the memo, noone is walking around out there with a Dhara Belt, two RoS's, and God Armor. So everyone is killable. Really, what do you people want? Should everyone strip down naked because armor makes it unfair for people with a low attack bonus? Should everyone use the same kind of weapon because different weapons dealing different amounts of damage and having different crit ranges and modifiers is unbalancing? No? I didn't think so.

Yes.

ATI · Post by **ATI** » Sun May 02, 2004 2:22 am

Hey good job fogey! How about you come and try and kill king glork by yourself at lvl 6 (or maybe just ONE of his minions) you'll see how fun that gets pretty fast

But seriously, we are asking for diversity Fogey, not sameness. Look at the post, add some more stuff, mainly ARROWs, cause that is what an ARCHER does, and we'll be happy.

Think of it Like Tomu said, would you ask a Pale master to heal you... No? Would you ask a Mage to be a tank? no? Didn't think so, why? because thats not what they do. Would you ask an arcane archer to use a sling? NO! Look at the name, now think about what an archer entails...he doens't use hatchets, he doesn't use slings, he doesn't use a sword....he uses arrows. And I think DD is right crafting makes up for some of the losses in arrow abilities, but there should still be more of a variety in future builds. So once again Gil, you logic is no good because you're arguing against the very core of what an archer is. If you take an archers arrows away, the person ceases to be an archer, If that is true, then it is obvious that arrows are directly related to the archer archetype and thus arrows are required to be an archer.

Now..you might wonder....why not use a sling? Well...first of all, I don't like re enacting David and Goliath.... Second of all, slings are lame for the most part and have a stigma against them, Third and most importantly, You can't PrC into an Arcane Archer (THere it is again, that word; Archer) with a sling, you have to do it with a bow...now class...who can tell me what ammunition a bow requires....that's right! Arrows.

Since im not higher level i don't know what arrows are availalbe at lvl 12-20 or anything like that, but I suspect there is some magic to them. All we ask is for variety so that we can have as many options, as archers, available to us when we fight. Simple, and enough said.