Why I love PvM.

[Alkapwn]

In past events if DM did not want interferance it would just be shouted.
Dropping spawn after spawn into Avendell Crossing doesnt take much preperation
And he continued to do it after one side had won the battle.
I came pretty late in the game and it was a full on brawl by that time.
I know it probably ruined a couple players good time but probably enhanced alot more.
Most of us love a good brawl. It went on for a least an hour if not more. Im sure if it wasnt fun it wouldnt have continued.

Some people like chocolate ice cream some people like vanilla and some people dont like ice cream at all. What can ya do?

[Shhhhhhh]

Dont dump your vanilla icecream all over the people eating chocolate?

[Alkapwn]

Thats not Vanilla Ice cream!

[Rainswept]

I've said all this before, but I'm gonna say it again. This server is built around and designed to enhance PvP. There are some wonderful PvM aspects, but PvP is the focal point. It's what keeps it alive.

It may be what keeps it alive for you, but I would phrase it exactly the opposite. There are some cool PvP aspects, but no way would I be playing here without the PvM. The fact that you've had to say it more than once should tell you that it's not what is universally believed. If people wanted only PvP there are countless arena servers, go to town. Different players like different aspects of the server, and having BOTH is the best thing about the server. All I'm looking for is a bit more discretion from people forcing others to play the aspects they want to play, especially when we're clearly enjoying ourselves already. It's kinda like showing up to a kid's party with a keg, some people might get a kick out of it, but most people came there for a specific thing that just got ruined.


Barg, what strikes me most about your old post is just how often and loudly people have complained about disarm and yet it remains.

[--Ashe--]

One would have to assume a certain degree of interference noting the location of the event. Avendell being a focal of travel by all levels, it would be logical to presume that if the sharks smell blood in the water, they're gonna start circling the bait.

A player chooses to participate in DM events. Asking a pvper not to interfere isn't necessarily even handed. From a role aspect, SL is free to slaughter whatever they see breathing and hindered with its back turned at any given moment.

Person dropping party to kill you? Don't party with him again. Kill him on sight. Easy solution.

If the DMs didn't want the possibility of free for all chaos, the event would have been in a more difficult area to access... unstable portals to boss maps... etc. Its happened plenty of times.

I wouldn't necessarily have rezzed a pvper encroaching on my event, but obviously someone was getting giggles out of the chaos of mass death. Chaos is glorious sometimes.

Perhaps if you were concerned about the venge log issue, you should have asked on shout whether they would clear lower level slain to relog higher since they wanted to make it a pvp occassion as well. I wouldn't be suprised if no one would have objected.

And let us not look past the fact that the pvpers assumed just as much risk of exp loss, etc, by attacking eventers in combat as the original combatants. Yes, sneaky, underhanded, lame... but who fights fair in reality... especially when they are wicked and conniving.

[Rainswept]

And let us not look past the fact that the pvpers assumed just as much risk of exp loss, etc, by attacking eventers in combat as the original combatants. Yes, sneaky, underhanded, lame... but who fights fair in reality... especially when they are wicked and conniving.

The hipsters who were attacking while we fought weren't assuming risks of being killed by mobs who couldn't see them, and only waiting 10-15 minutes for a raise prevented me from suffering respawn penalties.

It's not roleplaying to go get different toons to attack, nor is it roleplaying to attack, run into Ave to rest, then run back out. It's metagaming, and it's players doing it, not toons.

It's perfectly possible to roleplay evil characters while still maintaining common curtesy to other players. The whole point of the rules system is to let everyone have a good time.

[Korr]

They wouldnt let me relog my 40s to join in some good ol PvP. If I knew it was gonna be a PvP thing I woulda brought 40s and ran into ave every 10 min like DDs to rest. But I brought lower level toons to try and get some xp en mass with others.

[DM_Kim]

My turn?

DM events are Meta-gaming. Most DM events are Power-leveling. So that ends that aspect of the discussion.

Next: DM's generally know what another on line DM is doing by way of events. One DM will not interfere with another DM's event other than to assist if requested. Last eve at Ave was the Scamp's event. Other than watching I did nothing. Not even to rez. Visa versa. The Scamp visited my event with the DD and watched. This is the way of the DM's.

Next: There is nothing in the rules that says PvP'ers can not "crash" an event while it is in progress and kill off the participants. If I am not mistake, most, if not all who got PK'd were also DM rezed. The only time PK'ing event participants is not allowed is when the DM closes then event to particular level(s) player group or to PK. This they will do over shout and deal with anyone coming in to "disrupt" the participating players or the event.

Lastly: If you enjoy events but don't want to run the risk of getting involved in a PvP battle, ask the hosting DM if it is an Open or Closed event, if PvP is allowed or not. Otherwise don't participate. Wether your forte is PvP, PvM or RP we manage to have all 3 with PvP being the primary. Such is life in Atheria. It is your call as to what aspect you part-take in. It is your call as to what you wish to participate in regardless of how or what others are doing or their reasons for doing it.

If PvP is something you chose not to be involved in as an instigator. That's fine. Getting attacked yourself by someone else is just something your going to have to accept regardless of time, place or DM event.

[Ghostly]

Earlier, I put the question out to the players as to what they'd like to have. The 1st being the HoD creatures. The 2nd being the team event. I chose HoD creatures, so the DD members wouldn't miss out on the fun.
Yup, I was fully aware of the small DD ceremony taking place, and like Kim said I was there and watch it for a while. I even made the suggestion that the last DD to arrive should be killed by Lolth for making her wait (In most ways Kim and I both think alike, so we both laughed because she already had that planned).

My take on the event:

It was started when a Avendell guard shouted the crossing was being attacked by the undead. Through a few tells and one shout I let the players know it was open for all. The event had been running for close to an hour, when I saw 2 DD appear at the crossing, saw them kill creatures, and also get pk'ed by a few of the event party members in the event.
I thought to myself, theres going to be a retaliation for that happening
Sure enough the DD members came into the crossing in mass, and start attacking both creatures and players alike. After what looked like a few close calls, I cleared the creatures out to avoid players being accidently killed by them while the pk'ing was going on.
While rez'in some of the fallen, I shouted, "If this pk'in continues while I'm respawning players I'll just leave everyone to rot" Was my shout listened to? Nope. the Pk'in continued. So I stood there and watched until it ended. Yeah, I spawned in few creatures afterwards, but that kept getting interrupted by a few players coming out of Avendell and attacking the DD and IO players that were there, so I destoryed the creatures and called it quits.

Could I have stopped it all that from taking place? Yeppers. Did I? Nope, my hands were tied because I opened the event for all, and didn't say "no pvp allowed." Players who choose to run into and open event to pk other players, are fully aware that they're of running the risk of having a DM lay the smackdown on them for a creature killing a player they're fighting. And with that many creatures and players at it at the crossing, it could've easily happened, which is why I cleared the creatures out

So now I have to ask. Would this have been avoided had those 2 DD players been invited into the event party, or if the 2 DD players requested an invite? Yeppers, it would've. But I can't speak for the individuals involved, nor would I want too.

It was my event, I made the call to let what took place, take place. Will I hold other events in the future? Probably not, because in my opinion I saw a lot of poor gameplay on the shout from both sides, which forced me to shut it off. Will other DM's hold events in the near future? Thats for them to decide

[Chernobyl_Glow]

Will I hold other events in the future? Probably not, because in my opinion I saw a lot of poor gameplay on the shout from both sides...

THAT... is a real shame.

Not to speak for DM's but from what I've found in the past is that many events trigger PvP. Its like you have to fight the enemy as a qualifier. The team left standing is the one who gets to 'enjoy' the event. Sometimes you team up after. Sometimes you fight the common "greater" evil. Its like if aliens attack Earth then all of a sudden US and Russia are allies. Then once the aliens are defeated you go back to fighting one another.

Another player (who, like Rain, generally didn't want to be involved in the PvP aspect) once told me to not join events because "bad things happen." She felt like either one of two things would occur: either the DM would just repeatedly punish you with mobs or that PvP would "ruin" any fun. To her PvP should be avoided at all costs. If you can't be prepared to enjoy the "punishment" and/or PvP interruption then events will be emotionally difficult.

The bigger problem sounds to be the fact that there will be fewer due to behavior issues. A shame.

- Glow -

[VagaStorm]

Will I hold other events in the future? Probably not, because in my opinion I saw a lot of poor gameplay on the shout from both sides...

THAT... is a real shame.

Indeed it is. I have not once seen dm intervention that I did not enjoy... admittedly having my inventory filled with flowers pissed me of once, but now I laugh every time I think about it I would prefer having loads of dm interaction in the future to.

[frogofpeace]

Vaga's got the right idea - sometime not too long from now, everyone's going to look back and say "Remember the time we killed them DD when they tried to horn in on our event? And Ghostly gave us a good hour of PvM before that, I must've got 20k xp! :):)" And DD'sre going to be saying "Remember when we smacked them noobs in Avendell Crossing? *muscle pose*" Except DD don't have muscles, just long, skinny, hairy limbs and some kind of goo inside their exoskeletons.

[VagaStorm]

just long, skinny, hairy limbs and some kind of goo inside their exoskeletons.

There are drow outside of menzo to you know...

[Rufio]

Will I hold other events in the future? Probably not, because in my opinion I saw a lot of poor gameplay on the shout from both sides...

THAT... is a real shame.

qft

I had fun.

[Blystos Re]

Next: There is nothing in the rules that says PvP'ers can not "crash" an event while it is in progress and kill off the participants. If I am not mistake, most, if not all who got PK'd were also DM rezed. The only time PK'ing event participants is not allowed is when the DM closes then event to particular level(s) player group or to PK. This they will do over shout and deal with anyone coming in to "disrupt" the participating players or the event.

As it should be.

I remember hearing a dm event going down where a relatively short-lived, all-drow SL guild was slaughtering TC inhabitants in wildwood & Melencia. I was on with a 30-something CLAD and was nearby...so naturally, I popped in and erradicated every last slithering darkling on the map.

Good times... ... and I wasn't punished then, just as the DD's shouldn't be punished now. You want to get back at them? Raise an army and then burn Menzoduran to the floor of the underdark. Problem solved.