About SR

[Lokey]

Epic dodge is engine, I don't think use of it is exposed and setting it to be used...ack.

Also don't forget Nature's Balance in the list

[MLoki]

By that logic, Epic Dodge should be able to avoid the first attack of a Bigby as well.

Epic Dodge should be able to let you dodge the hand that is holding on to you? I figured it was the same issue as concealment. If it is physically touching you then the Bigby shouldn't have any problems finding you even if you are concealed. Some Bigby work great against some builds but the majority of the Bigby spells are useless against most builds. If you figure DC as the Attack Bonus then at max a Bigby with a 48 AB vs a 60-70 AC will miss most of the time. If it does hit then is still has to make another check to even affect you. Works great against low AC builds with no Discipline but doesn't do much of anything against most planar mobs. If you are using a spell slot for a 9th level spell just for the chance to hit something and maybe stun it then this spell is well underpowered compared to a DC 48 Implode. Sorry for the tangent.

[Shamed Monkey]

It's making a physical attack. Epic dodge dodges the first physical attack per round. And, you are an idiot if you think that the second check on bigby matters. Nothing can make that save with regularity, nothing.

[Korr]

Well considering Bigby takes just 17 caster levels to get and epic dodge takes improved evasion defensive roll 30 tumble ranks, I would guess that person is good enough to slip through the fingers of some mindless summon. The concealment you get from improved invisibility (according to PnP texts) is that you remain invisibile, so people within 5 feet of you get a 50% concealment (you cannot be shot at with arrows unless their listen beats ur move silent) so this bigby hand wouldnt know where to go to hit you. Or if you take the displacement spell, it (again according to PnP) makes two of you, so the bigby would have a 50% chance of hitting the real you. Or as I would assume the camouflage is worked now, youre nearly invisible (blending into your surroundings) so the bigby isnt quite sure where you are to swing.

Implode is yes a really good spell, but focus in bigby (conjuration) gives FAR more benefits for a wizard than an evocation focus for clerics. There are also several spells in the wizards list that beat out any cleric spell (implode aside) without domains. Tried using melf's acid arrow or ice storm lately? Last night during an event with several level 40(ish) toons, my wizard was the only one who could regularly kill ANYTHING spawned . . . the trick was melfs and well placed (or so i hoped) ice storms.

Shamed, yes the bigby is easier to get around then you think, but the cost for getting around it is higher than the cost to get it.

[VagaStorm]

Shamed, yes the bigby is easier to get around then you think, but the cost for getting around it is higher than the cost to get it.

U'm usualy the cost is like what? -one- charge from a dismissal rod?

[Shamed Monkey]

I know that, but then all you have to do is fire another bigby at someone. Bigby, maxed IGMs. Person is dead in maybe 6 spells?

[Bargeld]

Based on the reasoning put forth thus far, epic dodge should then also work against touch spells such as harm and cause wounds and any other touch 'attack' that causes negative status.

[cRaZy8or5e]

I believe it does as long as said touch attack is the first attack in a round?

[Korr]

I think it does too because its in biowares engine as an attack, if not . . . yes I agree it should.

Also I was talking about working around bigby without dismissal rods.


Although I was told that epic skill focus discipline isnt counted towards the check on the level 9 bigby, is this true? and if so anyone know why?

[Alkapwn]

Last testing i did on that subject did include all the epic skil focus for and vs.
I'm not sure if Lokey's nerfing has altered this at all though i have seen a great increase in effectiviness of certain bigby's but vs. SR has never been an issue. Conj ignores SR...right?

[Korr]

I dont know that its conj that ignores SR(very well could be). From what I remember on the change of bigby it said since its a summon that its not effected by SR (like your solar can hit me even though you cant beat my SR).