Epic Defenders

Mental · Post by **Mental** » Fri Jul 20, 2007 10:14 am

Man i dont know if this is a bug or what, but how is it that MA only spawns 3 epic defenders at a time and when i got into sleeth today, there were 9. There was 7 that i killed and 2 i left, plus i never looked at the rest of the place. Something must be wrong with the spawn

I know it is. Can someone explain this?

Post by **Amoenotep** » Fri Jul 20, 2007 10:30 am

last time i looked at the change log it said "random" amount....i walked into MA the other day and couldn't fight off 8 of them. sure makes it alot more interesting now

cRaZy8or5e · Post by **cRaZy8or5e** » Sat Jul 21, 2007 9:41 am

What it does is make it difficult to do solo raids is all. For those of us in factions with less numbers, raiding just got a little more difficult, or at the very least risky

Makes it more fun though, that's for sure. And helps alot in defense too

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Brutalix · Post by **Brutalix** » Sat Jul 21, 2007 10:52 am

Im pretty sure 8- 9 epic defenders would be but a minor speed bump for MD anyways. Why would you guys be complaining anyways all its doing is making it abit more challenging. Isnt that a good thing?

Ebenezer Grymm · Post by **Ebenezer Grymm** » Sat Jul 21, 2007 3:52 pm

What he's saying is 8-9 defenders, fine, whatever. It's overkill but whatever, it is a minor speed bump.

But, we've walked into towns and fought 6 and more, while our own relic room never seems to have more than a few.

But even more so, how worthless are caster NPCs? Seriously. Of all the relic cradles guards, ours were already by faaaaaaaar the weakest. Now with each faction getting ridiculous amounts of epic defenders, and the TC, NC, RK, LA, SL, and AO ones being pretty mean (especially NC and TC imo) ours are miles behind them in terms of power/defense.

And again, someone said the AI runs with about a 55 IQ (I think it's lower than that but, meh). So we have casters. Bleh.

Lets get the casters outta there and even the defenders up by giving us something melee worthy, like blackguards with smite good. NC epics do nasty smite evils, give us some BG's with a nasty smite good. The AI seems to play them fine.

Ebenezer Grymm · Post by **Ebenezer Grymm** » Sat Jul 21, 2007 3:54 pm

Oh, and Brutalix, we like challenge. We do.

But, we like the players to challenge us. Not have the DM's implement stuff like this to do it for you.

Post by **Amoenotep** » Sat Jul 21, 2007 4:01 pm

its pretty funny to watch 6 MA casters tear apart a well organized party then call them weak. those warlocks are alot meaner than you think they are. theres a small trick to them, but i'm not gonna tell you what it is to make them a bit stonger.

as for BG's in MA..not gonna happen. there are already BG epic defenders in one of the towns..but because most of you guys are neutral and evil you don't notice.

MA is a city of arcane magic. wizards and sorcerers rule supreme in the land all the while distributing badness to mortals and balance.....i think casters are exactly the type of epic defender MA is supposed to have. seems to fit in right nice with the way the city is intended.

-BannyD- · Post by **-BannyD-** » Sat Jul 21, 2007 4:36 pm

Ive never raided against AO so i dont know how the dragon is...but MA had the best NPC defenders, pre-epic...LA next. The main reason they are the best, is they have a lot of potions they chug and half are crit/sneak immune. LA npcs chug a bit too so they take the longest to kill.

As for epic defenders...the one and only time i saw the MA epic defenders there were 5 or 6 of them, all spamming spells on my barbarian...he went down faster than if it was just the MD defending

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TC defenders can be pretty nasty, but just because of the sneak attack and healing. A good 75ac will get you through that. NC...i was smited from them once, 1hit kill heh...but once again, mid 70s ac and they are toast against an evil toon.

Havent fought LA/SL/RK/AO epic defenders though so cant comment there. But I think MA are plenty powerful...bunch of mages spamming AoE spells in a small room.....AOs gigantic cradle area is nothin compared to that, the epic defenders often get sidetracked by rats and get dragged all across the map, making them easy to avoid until you want to fight them.

cRaZy8or5e · Post by **cRaZy8or5e** » Sat Jul 21, 2007 6:31 pm

I've noticed the BG's on several occasions *cough* AO *cough* ahem somethin in my throat there. They hurt alot lol.

P. Fricebottle · Post by **P. Fricebottle** » Sat Jul 21, 2007 7:42 pm

Ebenezer Grymm wrote:What he's saying is 8-9 defenders, fine, whatever. It's overkill but whatever, it is a minor speed bump.

But, we've walked into towns and fought 6 and more, while our own relic room never seems to have more than a few.

But even more so, how worthless are caster NPCs? Seriously. Of all the relic cradles guards, ours were already by faaaaaaaar the weakest. Now with each faction getting ridiculous amounts of epic defenders, and the TC, NC, RK, LA, SL, and AO ones being pretty mean (especially NC and TC imo) ours are miles behind them in terms of power/defense.

And again, someone said the AI runs with about a 55 IQ (I think it's lower than that but, meh). So we have casters. Bleh.

Lets get the casters outta there and even the defenders up by giving us something melee worthy, like blackguards with smite good. NC epics do nasty smite evils, give us some BG's with a nasty smite good. The AI seems to play them fine.

No!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I fought the warlocks and you are wrong! Dead wrong! They may have a weak defense, but it only took 3 of those damned things to start casting like crazy and doing some serious damage. Its like a Demilich is defending your relic cradle and hes skipped to his final casting phase of Pain.

RK's room had none today. So it really is random, it could either work for you or against you. I'm not a fan of the Luck Factor, but its okay. Although it adds a more dangerous aspect to the view of getting killed by a NPC and having to worry about the Respawn Penalty.

You are correct on your guards having possibly the weakest defense, but thats only in comparison to other epic guards. Those casters are mean, they resisted my Knockdowns and Stert's (pure barbarian) Called Shots like crazy, even when they were cursed. But weak offense? You need to be on the receiving end of their offense to know the pain. The only other weak defense guard would probably be AO's since its mainly a damage dealer.

-BannyD- wrote:Ive never raided against AO so i dont know how the dragon is...but MA had the best NPC defenders, pre-epic...LA next. The main reason they are the best, is they have a lot of potions they chug and half are crit/sneak immune. LA npcs chug a bit too so they take the longest to kill.

LA Guards kill themselves really.

But you are correct. Behind TC, MA has the hardest guards. I usually have to implode them because in melee, they will chug and use heal spells. The improved invisibility is a pain as well to get through.

Amoenotep wrote:its pretty funny to watch 6 MA casters tear apart a well organized party then call them weak. those warlocks are alot meaner than you think they are. theres a small trick to them, but i'm not gonna tell you what it is to make them a bit stonger.

Ebenezer, you don't know how true this statement is...

-Chronepsis- · Post by **-Chronepsis-** » Sat Jul 21, 2007 8:01 pm

well guys, you may complain, but I was in sleeth again today. Me and bril fought bout 13, thats only what we counted, but it seemed like sleeth was loaded wityh them. So why is every other faction only have like 3 tops of their relic defenders. If this is a bug, maybe the devs could fix this problem, I would actually like to hear from a dev and explain this.

Post by **Zing** » Sat Jul 21, 2007 8:59 pm

All cradles use the same piece of code to spawn defenders.

Therefore they are all equal.

Post by **VagaStorm** » Sat Jul 21, 2007 9:09 pm

The sl dfender is the weirdest fella I've ran into ever... I used a build that was a bit defensive at the time, and he dint do any dmg, neiter did I due to his ac.... so I put down my shield and chug a potion of elemental shield, and he was toast faster than he could say sneak atack

-BannyD- · Post by **-BannyD-** » Sat Jul 21, 2007 10:07 pm

cRaZy8or5e wrote:I've noticed the BG's on several occasions *cough* AO *cough* ahem somethin in my throat there. They hurt alot lol.

hah ours are BGs? cool. i thought they were just barbarians with pointy sticks.

P. Fricebottle · Post by **P. Fricebottle** » Sat Jul 21, 2007 10:30 pm

Zing wrote:All cradles use the same piece of code to spawn defenders.

Therefore they are all equal.

Could you check the one for RK? We've gotten absolutely 0 Epic Defenders two times in a row. The most we've had at a time that I've seen is 1.