Fixing the Heal pot up the Behind Tactic

[Umpa]

Well it appears now that there are few ways to beat someone that is a PM other then using 10 people. Everyone says wizards is the way to beat a Pot sucking Pale master with 71+ AC, and epic absorbs.

Now You can't:
Stun them
Crit them
Slow them with leg shot, or Arm shot
Kill them with BB's, since it wont stick
Kill them with empowered IGMS for 140 a pop
Dispells for more then 10 seconds
Grasping them for more then 10 seconds if that
Horrids them
Time stop only if you want to spam timestop like certain people that have 0 skill sets
Grease them
Stop them from sucking 200 pots across 10 zones
Implode them because of gear stacking.

The Devs need to address this, you will kill your server off. I do not consider 2 wizards, 40 and 36 a trivial force to deal with but a PM appears to be able to walk away now.

How you ask? Well in our infinite wisdom we removed SR from bigbies, because some wizards complained because their builds sucked. So BB no longer works on the classes that can get AC over 66, it was a bad move. You removed the balance for half the game, to appease 2 people there. It should be put back or added back, monk builds with 56 SR to stop a 40 wizard are almost useless in other areas of the game, but now if I can get my AC over 66, wizards are stuck with Timestop 0 skill play.

If the PM can cast level 3 scrolls with rings I'm guessing, he can walk away from 2 high level wizards, which was the counter to all the Pot sucking PM's are destined to do.

So what is the fix?

NWN2 has a timer on how many pots that can be sucked in a 30 second time period. That would be a good start, 1 heal per 30 seconds period. No more. No matter which potion we use, we have to wait 30 for another.

Remove the Shield spell and Freedom from the make scrolls list, they want it, let them find the items that cast them, but the fact is, I watched Achillies, suck about 40 pots, shield scrolls, freedom, and haste scrolls, for 10 zones with 2 wizards and pets going on him. This single build and the various failures to understand what SR did for wizards, has caused a huge balance issue. Please dont tell me there is another build that can counter this, there is non. No single build can counter this when the guy is running away with a flag, you can't slow this build down. As it was said many times, PM's are to powerful period. I can not slot 100 spells to counter the pots, even if I could he would just chain cast shields from scrolls. Does any DM see anything on this? There is no build counter to this, 71 AC would require a huge Dex build, but you can't crit this build, so whats the point? Pots counter KD just keep pushing the button sooner or later you will miss. Harm will not counter this, because it can't insta kill. There is no counter other then 10 guys beating on 1 guy, whats that point of that game skill?

I will say this again, so we can all understand this, this build will kill this server, why would I play when I know there is no point, skill, builds, spells, nothing. I need 10 folks.

Celorn was correct, 10 guys can invade MA, right up until they field 15, and we all fall from the lag caused by the ports into the MA relic room again by the defenders. You need to Nerf this, its lost its appeal.

I still think Bard has no place in MA, and if your PM your evil, your UNDEAD like for all purposes. But your a good undead guy, right.

Everyone else was nerfed, the Monk/Dragon was nerfed, its time for the PM/Potsucker/Bard

Umpa

[Aarkon Draco]

bard is needed in MA lest you forget MA has no Monk, Druid, Ranger, Barbarian, Paladin, or TRAVEL( thats a big one) , Air Earth Water Fire Healing and a fiew other domains that no one uses.

Bard deff blong in MA for that reason alone not to mention Bard BG is a widly used and quite nice combo and the closest thing to a Anti Pally that MA can get.


I do however fully agree that MA is being a royal pain in the arse about the relics. i dislike any faction that hoggs them that much ( slaves were the last group i didnt like for this) but then agian relics arent needed to play or level.

however it is nice to have some bonus some times and the people in MA need to chill IMO or atleast not go out of their way to grab them all so others can have some bonus.

[fallout21]

I like some of the ideas Umpa makes but this topic has been beaten to death so I'm gonna lock it before the flames start again.