MA and Nexus logging

[Gornickthy]

if i see you relog into the nexus for easier access to relics...expect something bad to happen.

No offense Tep, but you cannot enforce that very well. I log toons in the nexus all the time for easy access to HoD and Icy Crypt. Now say I log in during relic raids and you see me do it. I then am to be punished? I don't think so. I understand this may be viewed as a problem, but fix the problem instead of trying to punish everyone. We had the same problem when we used shapechange to block doorways from the hit and run monk raids. The DM's wanted to punish people for doing it. It is a tactic. And until changes are made it remains a valid tactic. People declare rule bending simply because they can't find a way to beat it. Havok should be the last person whining about bending the rules. When he finds a "tactic" he exploits it to everyone's chagrin. Instead of complaining about MA and whining, which is all I really saw in this thread, why not either try to defeat the problem through tactics or try and make a valid point to the Dm's and Devs to make a change.

The geography of Garagoth has been the same for a long time. Now that they have relics you complain about the layout? Please.

We still should have the bind point at the tent in the Oasis changed to MA only. The point is valid and has been supported by many facts, but that has not changed. So in lieu of the way the world is right now try to play the game and stop thinking just because you whine the loudest that the DM's and Devs will automatically come running to assist you since you can't assist yourself.

There is one solution that no one seems to want to address. If you do not like the defending stages of Garagoth then try stopping them before they get the relics. Oh your toons can't fight then? Is that what you are saying? They can only run around and raid relics, but they cannot handle defenders? Then build better toons and come up with better tactics. I am not even involved in this nonsense but I couldn't help but laugh at the crying about it.

So when someone else gets the relics what will your complaints be about them?

[Nyeleni]

Sorry Gornicky, you're like Havok. You are just the other side of the medal.

We should change this, we should change that. Bending rule here, bending rule there.

You don't like what a DM is imposing on you? Guess what? He is a god. So... Just cope with it or leave. And no, I don't say you aren't allowed to complain. Just be careful about it .
I know Gods may err too, and they do, but I still prefer their errors than the usual player cheating (just for the record I didnt see or catch you doing it, not directed at you, Gorn).

So, let's go back to the real issue here. We should wait till the Nexus gets fixed... Till then, try to park your characters a bit farther away. E.G. in HoD at the entrance. There is hardly ever a spawn.

[Charles I]

Only issue I see here is being able to log one area away from the relic cradle. Solution, move the nexus portal. I would suggest moving the nexus portal to the temple. Any other faction that has a similar situation with regards to portal location and cradle location needs to have its' nexus portal relocated as well. As for the rest, deal with it. The layout of Garagoth simply means that the designer knew something about defense. PMs can be beaten, learn how. To chug or not to chug, personal choice. Make friends, make enemies, have fun.

[npasher]

As for the rest, deal with it. The layout of Garagoth simply means that the designer knew something about defense. PMs can be beaten, learn how. To chug or not to chug, personal choice. Make friends, make enemies, have fun.

AMEN!

[MasterYoda]

if i see you relog into the nexus for easier access to relics...expect something bad to happen.

No offense Tep, but you cannot enforce that very well. I log toons in the nexus all the time for easy access to HoD and Icy Crypt. Now say I log in during relic raids and you see me do it. I then am to be punished? I don't think so. I understand this may be viewed as a problem, but fix the problem instead of trying to punish everyone. We had the same problem when we used shapechange to block doorways from the hit and run monk raids. The DM's wanted to punish people for doing it. It is a tactic. And until changes are made it remains a valid tactic. People declare rule bending simply because they can't find a way to beat it. Havok should be the last person whining about bending the rules. When he finds a "tactic" he exploits it to everyone's chagrin. Instead of complaining about MA and whining, which is all I really saw in this thread, why not either try to defeat the problem through tactics or try and make a valid point to the Dm's and Devs to make a change.

The geography of Garagoth has been the same for a long time. Now that they have relics you complain about the layout? Please.

We still should have the bind point at the tent in the Oasis changed to MA only. The point is valid and has been supported by many facts, but that has not changed. So in lieu of the way the world is right now try to play the game and stop thinking just because you whine the loudest that the DM's and Devs will automatically come running to assist you since you can't assist yourself.

There is one solution that no one seems to want to address. If you do not like the defending stages of Garagoth then try stopping them before they get the relics. Oh your toons can't fight then? Is that what you are saying? They can only run around and raid relics, but they cannot handle defenders? Then build better toons and come up with better tactics. I am not even involved in this nonsense but I couldn't help but laugh at the crying about it.

So when someone else gets the relics what will your complaints be about them?

Whens the last time i bent a rule gornthicky? How many [IO] have been punished in the last 2 months for breaking them?

ok now ... restate this how you should have.

Havok ""USED"" to break rules. I haven broken one since my 10 day ban for cussing .... and even that was more of a verbal abuse rather than a rule one. I get it if u got a problem with me ... ok .... but keep it off posts and focums that are trying to be usefull and helpfull to the public.

As far as your reasoning .... yeah u do remind me of me ..... a year ago. You can log in and claimthat your not defending but i will say this again.

THE DMS ARENT STUPID.

Alot of arguments are also able to be enforced by the DM HAS FINAL SAY.

Before you even think about comming at me and using me as a reference to breaking the rules, teach your guild to NOT do the following.

Venge logging, Cussing in talk, Spawn Point camping. Once you and your guild know the rules feel free to talk about who is and isnt breaking them ......

[Blystos Re]

There is one solution that no one seems to want to address. If you do not like the defending stages of Garagoth then try stopping them before they get the relics. Oh your toons can't fight then? Is that what you are saying? They can only run around and raid relics, but they cannot handle defenders? Then build better toons and come up with better tactics. I am not even involved in this nonsense but I couldn't help but laugh at the crying about it.

So when someone else gets the relics what will your complaints be about them?

Personally, I can't be in game 24/7 to babysit the relic cradle...and logging at 2 am to swipe relics makes my head all hurty the next morning at work.

[LinuxPup]

Guards that have real True Site, like AO but unlike everyone else, their guards have significant resists to death spells.

Real true seeing? Are you sure about that? I see them cast the spell true seeing...

[Yonwe]

Some of the golems have actual True Sight and some of them don't; we have them all cast the spell version to keep you on your toes

In terms of logging from the Nexus, we're looking into it. We'll probably just extend the script that ports you a few areas away into the Nexus, since we more or less simply forgot that those areas count as one area away for mapping purposes when we put them in... until then, it's just up to the fickle caprices of cruel gods to decide if divine intervention is amusing or not!

[Amoenotep]

its amusing

[disastro]

at first i read this post and was thinking hmm maybe we have something here worth discussing. then i got to this:

6) Guards that are immune to wail from a scroll which most don't
7) PM's that can not be stunned.
8 Pm's that can not be critted.
9) Pm's that chain smoke more pots then I think I've ever purchased, with very little anyone can do about it till 10 more log in from the nexus or wherever.

Is this fair? Not really, but I'm really tired of the constant cheaters on MA, full time.

and i realized that the stench of cheesy whine had been spilt all over what was looking to be an interesting discussion.

"immunity to crits" is cheating? wake me up when "assembly line monk/sd hipser" is in the same sentence. I hated hipsers too, until i learned a) how to deal with them and b) when to realize my current toon CAN'T.

There are lots of ways to kill a pm, if you're unable to figure out how I suggest you roll a PM and then count the number of ways your butt gets handed to you. Hint: your wimpy dex based rapier/fist toon is NOT the right counter build to a melee pm! ask a brethren or gary out of bb for tips, i've seen em do real well vs PMs.

nexus logging is however a valid complaint, i look forward to having the telport script adjusted to take this into account. Just let me never see the day when a scroll based "wailer" expects to be effective in Real Combat.

[Gornickthy]

Whens the last time i bent a rule gornthicky? How many [IO] have been punished in the last 2 months for breaking them?

ok now ... restate this how you should have.

Havok ""USED"" to break rules. I haven broken one since my 10 day ban for cussing .... and even that was more of a verbal abuse rather than a rule one. I get it if u got a problem with me ... ok .... but keep it off posts and focums that are trying to be usefull and helpfull to the public.

As far as your reasoning .... yeah u do remind me of me ..... a year ago. You can log in and claimthat your not defending but i will say this again.

THE DMS ARENT STUPID.

Alot of arguments are also able to be enforced by the DM HAS FINAL SAY.

Before you even think about comming at me and using me as a reference to breaking the rules, teach your guild to NOT do the following.

Venge logging, Cussing in talk, Spawn Point camping. Once you and your guild know the rules feel free to talk about who is and isnt breaking them ......

LOL tisk tisk.... Ok so you got me and I will rephrase .. Havok "use to" bend rules... I never said break.

Did I hit a nerve or something? I use you as a reference due to your fame and past exploits, nothing more my friend. What happened? You use to like taking credit where credit was due. If anything it was meant as a backwards compliment in that you find (or found) ways to test the boundaries.

As far as the guild goes, and as far as breaking the rules and such... don't really know what you are talking about. If you have a problem then take it up with a DM or the guild leader. Or send me a message and I will get it to the right person.

Did I just catch you in a bad mood or something? Not quite the Havok we have all come to love, adore, and enjoy beating on. I can honestly say I meant no offense to you Havok, and I apologize if I did offend you.

[Gornickthy]

Personally, I can't be in game 24/7 to babysit the relic cradle...and logging at 2 am to swipe relics makes my head all hurty the next morning at work.

I feel your pain. There seems to be that special golden hour on Reflections too. One minute the relics are safe, and then a little later they are sitting either in LA or in TC with a big dragon and a little Irish guy sitting on the cradle laughing and pointing fingers at us.

[-BannyD-]

just reading this thread as kind of an outsider...id like to suggest people cool down a bit before it gets locked, or actually it should be locked anyway. move/extend the script to effect the MA nexus...problem solved.

complain about the inequalities of MA in another thread . I forget who said it, think it was Tep? but its just because MA is popular right now. back when AO and LA were the heavy hitters, there were complaints all over the place about them. every faction is different for their own reasons and should keep their unique tastes.

oh yea...burn MA!

[Lorkar1]

Just my two cents worth, but there needs to be some consistency here.
In one faction the Nexus portal is in the temple and in another faction it is on the same map as the cradle.
LA, AO and SL all have the nexus separated from the cradle but MA and RK have them on the same map.
Cant speak on TC or NC since my memory is fuzzy on that one since its been a while since I raided there.
Move the offending factions portal and all is right with the world(well mostly).
On a side note but still semi-on topic, has anyone looked into the AO cradle position? Are the DMs punishing those that log into that map? That cradle needs to be in the throne room where the tougher defenders would be located.

Hey, hows about this, have every relic in a small room(empty) and defended by G1. (only being mildly sarcastic, this explanation for those that cannot see the forest for the trees.)

[Amoenotep]

if you don't know about a problem in another faction..please don't speculate what you think happens. please be specific with facts and not embelish with stories please.