Relic Dropping

[Ebenezer Grymm]

Topic title should say it all I guess.

Relics should be meant to be taken or defended, thats why all these wonderful scripts are in place. Not just dropped in bugged places for an Easter Egg hunt (even though right now it's that time of year, but this has been happening way before this).

I don't expect every faction to chime in on this because it doesn't happen to all of you, it only happens to MA. And only by one guild. BB. Other factions relics may be the ones that are being dropped and bugged, but it's only after they are held by MA and then raided and dropped by BB.

Relics and their bonus should be for the factions that are strong enough to take them, and strong enough to defend them. I'm sure thats what the DM's had in mind when they designed the relic system, not "Lets just be annoying since we can't hold and defend relics we'll just log out and leave them in places we KNOW are bugged and unretrievable."

And it's not a question of whether or not the BB's know they are not retrievable when they leave them, they recover the ones from where they can be recovered and repeatedly hide the ones that cant be recovered in those same spots until it is specifically forbidden.

So here it is, in General on the forums. You all hate me for whatever reason. You all hate Pale Masters (chug chug blah blah). We know that. But how would you all feel if you saw "Ebenezer Grymm has dropped your Relic in Blank" and when you went there and spent hours looking it wasnt gettable/findable? And then did I did it again and again and again. You'd dislike me just a little more I bet. Ban nerf whine I bet.

Bottom line, my opinion is if you're powerful enough to take them you should be powerful enough to defend them. No in-between. For the DM's, if the relic is on the ground for more than 10 real time minutes it should be returned to its home cradle. Period.
If the DM's or anyone else feels different let's hear why.

Feel free to respond everyone.

[Ebenezer Grymm]

And while I'm on a rant, anyone notice how Mystral Ascendancy is misspeled everytime our relic is raided or picked up/returned/dropped?

[P. Fricebottle]

1. We don't drop it in bugged places, if a DM tells us not to drop it somewhere like Highlands we will discontinue to drop your relic there and we'll drop you relic somewhere else.
2. It doesn't only happen to MA. Its happened to just about everyone. Again, I've seen our relic hidden. I've seen AO and LA at each others necks and dropping each others relics. You aren't the one and only "victim" here, it happens to the best of us.
3. I'm sure you have no idea whats in the DMs mind because, as far as I'm concerned, this topic about Relic Dropping has been beaten to a bloody pulp. DMs have made statements about this, so you're a bit off in their mindset. They know this exists and they've left it, get used to it. I've personally only dropped one relic intentionally and it was NCs so when reset hit it would go back to NC rather than MA. My teammates, however, is a whole other story.
4. You act as if we're completely evil people that hide these relics in areas where no one can get them because if we can't have them, no one can have him. Thats not how we play. We hide them because you always outnumber us, so we've got no other choice. The Highlands/Minotaur areas were glitched, we weren't hiding them there because we knew it was irretrievable but rut rather because it made it inconvenient for you to go geth them.
5. We've had our relic dropped just enough to be pretty callous to even care, we've been semi-major players in this relic game long enough to have gotten used to the system as Zing made it.
6. Wow, you're really only the first/faction guilds to think we hate you. We used to raid AO countless times before we decided to ally against LA. We used to raid tLB + HNs in LA many times. We've raided lesser relic factions, but you're honestly the first to think we hate you because we don't let you prance around with a 50% bonus without a fight. Can't stand the heat then get out of the fire and live like people in NC do.
7. Not a matter of power. -BB- is one of the most powerful guilds on the server. I'm not being arrogant I'm being truthful, we build our builds pretty well if you ask me. We're Raiders, thats all there is to it. It comes down to numbers, thats where RK and all RK guilds fall short. The most you've probably seen of us is 5 at a time, mostly 4 or 3. While MD + IO just now had 10 members on defending. Thats where tactics come into play. Tactics are the in-between you apparently don't notice. Tactics are those things that require you to think of your next move, thinking beyond the hotkey for your potion.

[LinuxPup]

Not so much tactics as monk speed.... its just plain hard to kill monks... much harder than Pale Masters even. Even an arcane archer is going to have a tough time hitting one with 80 AC...

That said, it was pretty bad that I was one of the only people defending that can see shadowdancers.

It'd be nice MA was given monks... say what you want about monk/PMs (they suck), but it'd be nice to have them even if monk/PMs weren't allowed... just like monks aren't allowed with certain polymorph forms.

Yet another reason why Pale Masters aren't overpowered.... least you guys get monks.

[Ebenezer Grymm]

We're Raiders, thats all there is to it.

Thats all you need to say.

You raid and drop relics because you can't defend them. The only reason to do so is because you don't want anyone else to have them.

And because you think I'm talking to you specifically about not being able to defendis proof of you not being able to do so and hiding relics because of it. Of course other factions have had it to them, I said that in the original post.

As far as not understanding the intent of implementing relics, I'm way more on base than you seem to think. Surprise, a BB was the 1st to respond. The practice of dropping relics you can't hold is not what was intended. If it was you wouldn't be able to bring them back to your cradle for a bonus, there would be no bonuses at all.

But hey, lets hear more BB come in and post how relics should be able to be dropped randomly and how the dwarves are a major power (yet are not such a major power that they should be allowed to transport relics through Pech tunnels and how your job token nospellcraftbonustosaves item isnt overpowered or how you're crippled through not being able to choose every race/class).

For all the posts about MA Pale Masters drinking potions, theres a dozen posts not made by us about how relics are dropped in bugged places, or how people multi-log chars in different factions, or how people use faction "rebels/rogues" to raid (*cough* Dementia) because we are not the whiners.

But I have no problem with whatever opinion you people have of me personally, so I also have no prob bringing posting about that garbage tactics/bending the rules/abusing the bugs that you other factions/people do constantly.

But not to get off topic, since I know the BB's read everything I write religiously, lets have 1 of them name 1 good reason not to capture a relic rather than dropping it. The only correct answer is "Because we can't hold them so we try to be annoying and circumvent the rules."

[minielvis]

Relics are dropped in places that we think would be hard to find.
That's it. How was i suppose to know minotaur lair was bugged?
I thought it was an imaginative spot.

It seems to me that we have stood up to you bullies, by fighting
you and taking your relics. I thought we had some great fights.

A lvl 40 monk is not as awesome as you make out. Sandy remembers
being killed quite often in LA. Heck, she's been killed in TC, too.
Can you say the same for some of your mates? You got some teamates
that just don't die.

Do you hear me swinging for you in these forums?

Let us just all get along and happily kill one another , eh ?

[P. Fricebottle]

And because you think I'm talking to you specifically about not being able to defendis proof of you not being able to do so and hiding relics because of it. Of course other factions have had it to them, I said that in the original post.

Maybe because you are talking specifically to us in the original post. Think before you post next time, you contradicted yourself there buddy.

I don't expect every faction to chime in on this because it doesn't happen to all of you, it only happens to MA. And only by one guild. BB. Other factions relics may be the ones that are being dropped and bugged, but it's only after they are held by MA and then raided and dropped by BB.

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As far as not understanding the intent of implementing relics, I'm way more on base than you seem to think. Surprise, a BB was the 1st to respond. The practice of dropping relics you can't hold is not what was intended. If it was you wouldn't be able to bring them back to your cradle for a bonus, there would be no bonuses at all.

Surprise, I just happen to be active on these forums all day since I play a browser game (Cyber Nations if any of you recall) which means I tend to have multiple tabs open and one of them is the NS4 Site since I also Relic Raid every now and then. And your statement doesn't even make sense. There can be multiple intents, this isn't a linear game. Theres multiple aspects to it.

But hey, lets hear more BB come in and post how relics should be able to be dropped randomly and how the dwarves are a major power (yet are not such a major power that they should be allowed to transport relics through Pech tunnels and how your job token nospellcraftbonustosaves item isnt overpowered or how you're crippled through not being able to choose every race/class).

First off, relics shouldn't be able to be dropped randomly because you could then drop them in bags or maybe the magical trash cans in Neversummer which would cause problems. Also, you somehow managed to include a run-on rant sentence in parenthesis about everything that has been discussed before. The last two topics about Pech Caves got locked, and I'm not sure what job item you're referring to. The one with a DC of 30 to get knocked down or the one that drains you a little bit.

For all the posts about MA Pale Masters drinking potions, theres a dozen posts not made by us about how relics are dropped in bugged places, or how people multi-log chars in different factions, or how people use faction "rebels/rogues" to raid (*cough* Dementia) because we are not the whiners.

Whats with you and bugged places? It happened a few times and then the Devs/DMs found out there was a glitch and ever since we've stopped dropping them there.

But I have no problem with whatever opinion you people have of me personally, so I also have no prob bringing posting about that garbage tactics/bending the rules/abusing the bugs that you other factions/people do constantly.

We have no opinion of you, its our opinion of your less-than-respectable teammates that send constant garbage to us in tells.-

But not to get off topic, since I know the BB's read everything I write religiously, lets have 1 of them name 1 good reason not to capture a relic rather than dropping it. The only correct answer is "Because we can't hold them so we try to be annoying and circumvent the rules."

Yes, we read what you write religiously. Not because it concerns us, but because you're just that darn awesome. Theres no rule saying "don't drop relics" so I have no idea what you're referring to. And theres other answers, one of them its fun to hear you guys cry about it. Another is we tend to hide them for later when we can afford to defend them, because, we just don't have the numbers.

[cely]

Brace yourselves for some more of my "fancy quoting"...

http://www.nsrealm.com/public/ns4/viewt ... 5531#65531

As you all know I am a big fan of players who run and hide with relics or choose to dump them somewhere unexpected. It's all part of the game.

http://www.nsrealm.com/public/ns4/viewt ... 3729#63729

If you want to run and hide with it thats fine, denying a relic to an ENEMY faction is a sensible alternative to leaving it in an obvious place that you can't hope to defend. It's all fair in love and war Very Happy.

http://www.nsrealm.com/public/ns4/viewt ... 1901#61901

Just for the record there are no rules which say a relic must be capped.

I like the idea that a player can hide a relic if he wants to, they are only ever a diviner away. The system was designed to allow that.

And a few of my favorite quotes regarding relics in general:

http://www.nsrealm.com/public/ns4/viewt ... 0063#60063

well..i don't reset relics, at all. just a question btw, don't you still get xp even without the relic?

http://www.nsrealm.com/public/ns4/viewt ... 0064#60064

im locking this for the reason.
you do not need the relics to progress in NS4.
RELICS CAN AND WILL BE RESET WHEN A DM FEELS THE NEED. PERIOD

http://www.nsrealm.com/public/ns4/viewt ... 0783#60783

this would probably be a real concern if:

1: relics were actually the focus of NS4

2: relics were so important that you couldn't get xp without them..there are factions that actually never have relics and those players seem to do ok.

[Alkapwn]

ROFLOCOPTOR!

Nothing you can do about it Ebenezer. AO dealt with it everyday for months and months. Its the number 1 tactic against relic mongers cause it drives them MaD. I'm not even gonna bother pulling up the old posts on the subject but its just another aspect of Relic War you have to deal with if ya want to be King of that pile Too bad MA is so slow too Thats the trade off for Human Juggernauts. I remember DCN being just as irratated at first. Fatzo would log 6 times a day just 2 raid and hide our relic. Not to mention Rydd's nightly game of hide and seek. We cried and whined about it then eventually adopted the same tactics.
How's that saying go....."Alls fair in War"?
I'm quite enjoying the break from Relic Warring it was a long year tryin to make a dragon nest out of those things

[Ryddwillow]

We're Raiders, thats all there is to it

Raiders? pffft.

[Alkapwn]

lol Cely did the work for me

[Showtime]

ok i never post but this time i must. i have seen the relic's droped alot but never like the bb r doing. they find a buged spot then drop it there till the dm's tell them to stop.i just cant see that the point of the relic's is to hide them.they are there for the bonus for who can hold them. true we have just as hard a time as the bb in holding them they are very fast and they hide well. no one should be hideing relics and takeing them to buged places.it is just cowardly so for my part im with eb they just need to go back home when droped for more then a few minutes.

[Amoenotep]

yeah, this thing is a flaming burnination of flaming flames....locked