Quick clarification on rules requested.

[Lynn]

Ok, so its a PvP server so you can expect to get hit. And there are some who push it with a bit of "In bad taste" such as PK when your in a tough PvE fight. Then there is the third group who either break or bend the rules so hard they snap, as I recall it being stated before its the spirit of the rules not the letter.

Now there was a situation last night on reflections where a high lvl toon was running around taging lowbies with a paralizing weapon (DC35). While he did PK some there was a couple of players that got taged to be used as "bait". He would hit us and let us sit there immobile, tag us again after a while to keep us that way, and PK anyone coming to help (hiding/invis). While players do occasionaly PK lowbies/newbs (bad taste but completly acceptable), I would think this is considered pushing the rules if not outright griefing.

I did not really enjoy standing there immobile for 10+ mins, and I dont believe any of the other "victims" had a great time either (got screenshots). I am also not a fan of the log out and come back in a bit club either, I dont think you should have to log off a bit because someone wants to get there jollys. This is a game, its about having fun, I would think that would be the majority and not one guy.

I would like some clarification on this situation. This is not a "whine" just a simple request. Either he was in the "wrong" and it needs to be addresed, or my concept or right/wrong and enjoyment of the game just doesnt fit well with what is allowed here .

Thanks in advance for your input,
Lynn (Kitty)

[mgrjebbo]

lmao thats great! looks like the time of war is back, there was way to much of this 3.5 let me help you out behavior going on.

this is a server at war, this should be an every day occassion if not more IMO.

[P. Fricebottle]

PvP is encouraged mgrjebbo, griefing isn't. The original question was along the lines of where this stands. Sure, killing people is all in good fun, but paralyzing them so they can't do anything continously can easily be considered griefing.

[Mr. O'Dearly]

I believe the point was that she was held there.

Pking is fine; do it to your hearts content, but within the rules.

Part of the rules is a three time limit within a 6 hour period.

As we are supposed to be following the spirit of the rules and not trying to find loopholes to exploit, what would the spirit of this rule be?

I imagine this rule was intended to allow those who did not want to participate in pvp (particularly against a significantly higher lvl character), to go somewhere else, away from the pker.

In this situation, that ability was denied the pked.

Being paralyzed, she was not able to go somewhere else. Instead the pker held her there, intentionally keeping her alive, but stuck.

To me this is exactly the same as following a player around the server and continually pking them. If you're going to kill them, just do it.

[watchwood]

Send the screenshots to the first dev/dm to come along, and let them handle it. It's a pretty clear case.

[Lorkar1]

First off it wasn't a weapon it was an attack, specifically a death attack. Second, it was something I wanted to check out to see if it was effective in PvP and to see what opposing saves were since every giant in FD was immune to the effect.
I was on my way to the top of the mountain to test the attack on the other giants as Airbag Dummy can testify to since he was the first hit on my way up.
When I came back down I noticed he was not where I hit him and was wondering why so further testing was needed. I then proceeded to hit drago spellbinder who turned out to be immune to crits and sneak attacks(curious from an 11th level sorc). Then you appeared so I whacked you and the attack didnt last the length it was supposed to, so I hit you again to see if it was you or my attack. Mind you I did not hit you a 3rd time and was content to leave it at that until you and loki deathbringer started running off at the mouth.
Loki Deathbringer(completely unrealistic name BTW, brought nothing but track skills) started with the swearing and sexual innuendos so I then decided to take over the ogre pass.
But since you whined so nicely here I will now exercise my rights of PvP here at NS4 and kill you according to server rules. And when you continue to come back to the map I will kill you again since you will be coming to me.
As much as I don't like to agree with mgrjebbo he is right, this is a server at war so deal with it
By the way there were 3 others there as witnesses to the events unfolding, they can chime in at their leisure

[Lynn]

.... you appeared so I whacked you and the attack didnt last the length it was supposed to, so I hit you again to see if it was you or my attack....

You did not ask nor say what you were doing...

Mind you I did not hit you a 3rd time and was content to leave it at that until you and loki deathbringer started running off at the mouth.

Actualy I was not, simply stated you needed to lay off and either leave me alone or PK me after sitting there for quite a while and killing my help..
(And I do have screenshots showing that)

Loki Deathbringer(completely unrealistic name BTW, brought nothing but track skills) started with the swearing and sexual innuendos so I then decided to take over the ogre pass.

Not that I recall, but even if so that has nothing to do with me...

But since you whined so nicely here I will now exercise my rights of PvP here at NS4 and kill you according to server rules.

I did not "whine" here or there, reread it if you didnt see that the first time...

And when you continue to come back to the map I will kill you again since you will be coming to me.

If you recall I did not move from the spot you taged me in, I couldnt move. Once I finaly was free of the effect I did go to another area. Unless this is a threat of future action, in which case it sounds as though your going to target me and push it again...

As much as I don't like to agree with mgrjebbo he is right, this is a server at war so deal with it

Yes it is, but it is also a game and these thing must be kept within reason...

By the way there were 3 others there as witnesses to the events unfolding, they can chime in at their leisure

Yes there were a few, and there were screenshots as I stated above if there is any doubt. I do have a record of all that was said by the players in shout (including myself), and what was said in tells to me by them.


I am not the type who goes on about any little thing that comes along. When I do decide something needs to be adressed I take it seriously and can back up what I say with proof. I gave an honest account of the events that evening, where you seem to make it sound like it was everyone else at fault. This post was to see if you were or were not correct in your behavior. I did not even bring up who did this, it was mearly for clarification. You however felt the need to chime in and make it seem like a personal issue.

[Gornickthy]

From my personal experience those who take the pain with a sense of grace and humor get not only more satisfaction out of the game, but tend to receive less aggravation from PvP situations. There was one player on the trail that took a paralyze attack twice, and was not only gracious about it, but actually complimented the attacker even though the attacker was higher level. If he requested a Pk he would have received one. The receiver of the attack received additional aid in buffs and a silent guard from the higher level toons in the area. Because of his well mannered acceptance of the attack word spread to allow him to level in peace and aid him if warranted. For those paralyzed by the death attack a PK was actually close behind until the whining and arguing started. Once the complaining started several people in the area took that in and of itself as bad form and sportsmanship, and thus decided to sit back and watch the events unfold. Anyone who has experienced PvP knows not to instigate the attacker further, unless you think you can beat him/her. Once the abrasive comments and flaming starts then expect even more grief from the Pker. A call for aid could bring in high level assistance (if available, and it was), or a simple polite request to the PKer for the him/her to stop often provides better results then yelling and whining on the shout channel. For the most part we all have been on the receiving end of a hostile toon regardless of the levels involved. There are just some ways to deal with the situation that are better than others. Until there is a level restriction imposed for PvP, which I doubt will ever happen, then there is no sense complaining about it when the red=dead is in effect. PvP is just part of the game and is going to happen.

[MasterYoda]

*puts lynn on people to pk list*

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

wow... what is the point of this if it isn't a whine. if u weren't looking for peer support then u would have just sent them to a dm instead of posting here for peer support.

and on another note ur wrong. he can do whatever he wants. I'VE HAD DMS DO WORSE TO ME. u got paralized lol

u loose xp?

gold?

dignity? (yes)

so hat u got paralized. big deal. at least u didn't get disarmed, lvl drained, poisened, slowed, cursed, and deseased while he walked with u down the mountain to see if u can fight mobbs off u

yeah when that happens to u ( and it will ill make sure of it ) then complain. untill then if its a real problem pm a dm.

if not then post here to gather with all the other non pvp groopies.

[Lorkar1]

You did not ask nor say what you were doing...

And I need to explain myself to you why?

Actualy I was not, simply stated you needed to lay off and either leave me alone or PK me after sitting there for quite a while and killing my help..
(And I do have screenshots showing that)

And everyone knows I submit to demands immediately. I did not kill your "help" that was someone else's business.

Not that I recall, but even if so that has nothing to do with me...

Figured you 2 were in party. My apologies if that was not the case.

I did not "whine" here or there, reread it if you didnt see that the first time...

A whine by any other name is still a whine.

If you recall I did not move from the spot you taged me in, I couldnt move. Once I finaly was free of the effect I did go to another area. Unless this is a threat of future action, in which case it sounds as though your going to target me and push it again...

I was just stating my options since you dislike being paralyzed.

Yes it is, but it is also a game and these thing must be kept within reason...

Are you going to decide what is reasonable?

Yes there were a few, and there were screenshots as I stated above if there is any doubt. I do have a record of all that was said by the players in shout (including myself), and what was said in tells to me by them.

Then you will see that I did not grief you or taunt. I merely sat back and watched.

I am not the type who goes on about any little thing that comes along. When I do decide something needs to be adressed I take it seriously and can back up what I say with proof. I gave an honest account of the events that evening, where you seem to make it sound like it was everyone else at fault. This post was to see if you were or were not correct in your behavior. I did not even bring up who did this, it was mearly for clarification. You however felt the need to chime in and make it seem like a personal issue.

You said yourself you wanted a clarification...so I clarified. There was no fault to be placed because this was within the rules as they are laid out. I chimed in because I have no reason to hide. And lastly I do not take anything here personally because no one here has any effect or control on my life in the real world. So I say if ya can't take a joke...well I will let you imagine the rest since I am not as nice as Gornickthy and kids might be reading this.

Oh Yeah as a P.S. to what Yoda said I did make sure that the area was clear of critters so there would be no loss of GP or XP.

[JesterOI]

Stop picking on Lynn!

[Mentarch]

Ok, so its a PvP server so you can expect to get hit. And there are some who push it with a bit of "In bad taste" such as PK when your in a tough PvE fight. Then there is the third group who either break or bend the rules so hard they snap, as I recall it being stated before its the spirit of the rules not the letter.

Now there was a situation last night on reflections where a high lvl toon was running around taging lowbies with a paralizing weapon (DC35). While he did PK some there was a couple of players that got taged to be used as "bait". He would hit us and let us sit there immobile, tag us again after a while to keep us that way, and PK anyone coming to help (hiding/invis). While players do occasionaly PK lowbies/newbs (bad taste but completly acceptable), I would think this is considered pushing the rules if not outright griefing.

I did not really enjoy standing there immobile for 10+ mins, and I dont believe any of the other "victims" had a great time either (got screenshots). I am also not a fan of the log out and come back in a bit club either, I dont think you should have to log off a bit because someone wants to get there jollys. This is a game, its about having fun, I would think that would be the majority and not one guy.

I would like some clarification on this situation. This is not a "whine" just a simple request. Either he was in the "wrong" and it needs to be addresed, or my concept or right/wrong and enjoyment of the game just doesnt fit well with what is allowed here .

Thanks in advance for your input,
Lynn (Kitty)

As often stated in the forums - such a thing should be PMed to a DM or a head DM, who will look into this. Posting publicly about this resolved nothing except to invite a flaming or spamming.

Need I say it? Thread locked.