PvP/PK server?

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Post by P. Fricebottle »

Gornickthy wrote:I would agree. I too would like to see some form of penalty for PKing. This would prevent spamming relic raids and add a little flare to the entire point of killing someone. Right now there are those that take it on the chin and those that whine about it (why I do not know). Since this has turned into a primarily hack and slash server there would indeed be a good way to implement PKing penalties for levels and level differences. Usually the biggest complaint is "wa wa wa you are much higher lvl than me. Why did you PK me?" and so on. I for one would welcome gold and or xp loss/gain for PKing people in the same lvl bracket. That would add some ooomph to the world. I can hear the crying and whining already. :twisted:
No to everything you just said. You obviously haven't been around long. At all.

Back pre-wipe, if you were in an opposing factions territory, you were a raider. If you got killed by a defender, you lost an item you were wearing. Now, this darn near killed raids. People rarely raided, because they had nothing to gain and everything to lose.

If your idea was meant to encourage more PvP, stop. It will encourage the opposite. People will probably experience it, and many decent-hearted ones won't want to inflict it on others. Of course you'll have people like the Okies/KsT who do it in a chaotic sense, but both of those guilds are gone.
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P. Fricebottle wrote:**Sigh**

NS4 is already designed to be PvP. For the love, look at the server. Theres 7 different factions. You must be part of LA. Every time I log on, 90% of the server is dislike to me (RK). The only ones on like are from AO or fellow guild mates.

If you want PvP, join a minority. Further their cause. LA is generally a noob alliance, where the new people go. This might be the reason for you meeting so many anti-PvP, many noobs are not accustomed to such a PvP-styled server.

Veterans, however, are quick to PK. I admit, this server isn't as PvP as the Okie vs. CLAD or KsT Mountain Take-Over days. But thats because of the player-base, not Aetheria. Players just don't feel like killing each other.

Major PvP leaders have left, so its been relatively peaceful as late (take note its the holidays). DD1 left. Okies died off. KsT is gone. You get my point? If you want the server to become more PvP, don't look towards the Devs. Look towards yourself. Start a revolution. Start an un-aligned guild. Start a guild in TC and declare all non-TC/NC guilds enemies. PvP is waiting to show its face, all you have to do is initiate it.
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i agree with Mrjeboo.... there isnt any backbone to this discussion -- tho im not intending to insult it :wink: some would say i intend to spam it :twisted:

but.... PVP will fluxuate at NS4 as it always has -- it is very player dependant ; and there isnt any reason why PVP should be encouraged or discouraged beyond what currently exists

the PVP rule system is well designed; to allow players to PK at will ; but at the same time place restrictions on them to as not 'ruin someones day' or totally waste their time.

and if you find yourself unable to enter a certian area b/c it has been taken over -- then there are probably at least 3 other locations you can go to level at the same CR rate.... ns4 is very BIG --- there is more than the Mtn trail , FD, Zons , and dwarf home to level in :lol:

just let this be.... this discussion is in the hypothetical realm and is borderlining an insanity level ......and will accomplish nothing more than a restating of what has already happened in the past and discuss items which have already been beaten dead to a pulp;;;;
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PvP/PK has been discussed to and beyond death.
There is nothing left to discuss.
Drop it.

No one cares that you got killed.
Drop it.
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after-the-fact-realization

was this thread started out of boredom because of this? :shock: :D
http://www.nsrealm.com/public/ns4/viewtopic.php?t=6415
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Post by mgrjebbo »

as i stated above i found that topic and figured it out

thats when i mention the hole insulting devs and dm's not being a good idea

not insulting the creator of the post, mearly the topic at hand.

there is no point in the discussion as it has no validity with the server. just a bunch of opinions and flames being throw about.

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Post by MasterYoda »

LOL ...... There is a peanalty for pking .....

U get people to hate u.

And there are rules set in place to avoid jerks like me to run rampart.

And thirdly..... there is a player dislike like list for a reason.

A player can level from 1-40 without ever seeing another player if done right. Alot of you new players just tend to stick to areas that people know very well.

Sure Giant Mt is awesome to level atbut u ever been to haddon mork? what about a city raid to kill guards for xp? mabey gustaves chamber? esy zons? Mexoloth?

man be THANKFULL that =NR= , =kSt=, the REAL Deathdealers arent here .....

God forbid the Okies..... u would leave the server if u ever met them.

There are rules and penalties. but for a random pk .... thatys nonsense.

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Post by VagaStorm »

If it wasent so darn easy to explot ther should rather be a bounty for pking. It's a bich to get cought of guard, but it is more fun with the added danger than the wery easily calculated risks you take when you just kill mobs over and over and over and over and over agen.
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Post by MLoki »

The only possible loss/gain benifit for PKing that I could see being implemented would be a small amount of gold transfered from the loser to the winner. This has already been implemented in faction vs faction raids so I don't see this as being expanded further. But if you do want this type of reward just camp out somewhere inside your factions borders and wait for someone from another faction to come wondering by. I am pretty sure LAs borders extend from Silver Road: Bend to the Crossroads so you can always wait along that stretch of road just to PK other factions with an LA toon if you want a reward.

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Gornickthy wrote:I for one would welcome gold and or xp loss/gain for PKing people in the same lvl bracket. That would add some ooomph to the world. I can hear the crying and whining already. :twisted:

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I think people are thinking way to deep into this. Think of it more as a CR rating if you will. If I PK a lowbie then I should get nothing, hence it is a waste of time for me and them. If I PK someone within my same lvl bracket then there should be some gain, and if I can somehow manage to PK someone higher lvl then definitely some other gain than just bragging rights. The gain does not need to be anything extreme either. Even if it were 50 xp gain/loss for something like that then it would make an impact. I say it would make an impact in that it would make people think and actually come up with strategies instead of running in head first again and again and again.

And since this is just a discussion I am trying to think outside of the box here. It does not mean I am new, just trying to look at things from a different angle. Thats how this server was built, developed, and modified over time. Try to remember that.
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Post by Carnaugh »

I know/recognize the names of many of you (though I am an observant person with an above average memory). I have played with several of you also.

I played pre-wipe, but only a bit. I had two 10th level Chars. Then I started 1 week after the beta ended and have played relatively consistently since then. I just haven't been active in the forums.

I can tell from some of the responses that this is a touchy subject, and some of you have basically said as much. I guess thats why some replies were more or less not thought out or as though they didn't even read what was said, they were just responding to previous arguements. So be it.

I don't have a 'problem' with how NS4 is currently. And it is more or less a player thing.

Btw I killed more Okies then they killed me, I killed more KST then they killed me, I've killed more DDs then they've killed me. I have never gone out of my way to PK on this server. Pretty much all the PKing I have done was requested, accidents (attack of opp that lowbie who came to close), or when someone tried to PK me and paid the price. But I've also adventured with pretty much every guild, including KST, Okies and DDs. I would just find it funny when the same guy you were just levelling with the other day, whom you raised and helped (some constantly!) attacks you the next day. I think thats why some PKers are viewed so poorly.

Yes I've been to Haddon Mirk. Yes I've fought the lesser Amazons. Been to all the cities and fought the guards/bosses for gear/exp. Never been to Gustaves chamber (at least knowingly) likewise for Mexoloth.

My most recent character (a NC char) only went up Giant Mountain once really and that was to show my brother who was/is playing his 1st character here.


Gornickthy: I think currently people probably whine about being PKed is because it is so pointless (the random PK). Basically the PKer is saying I'm such an [censored] I have nothing better to do then to PK someone who is 'minding their own business'. There is nothing gained or lost so people just view the person as a moron. All you are doing is wasting the person's time (and ultimately your own). So they may whine because its an annoyance.

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Gornickthy wrote:I think people are thinking way to deep into this. Think of it more as a CR rating if you will. If I PK a lowbie then I should get nothing, hence it is a waste of time for me and them. If I PK someone within my same lvl bracket then there should be some gain, and if I can somehow manage to PK someone higher lvl then definitely some other gain than just bragging rights. The gain does not need to be anything extreme either. Even if it were 50 xp gain/loss for something like that then it would make an impact. I say it would make an impact in that it would make people think and actually come up with strategies instead of running in head first again and again and again.
The system already exists: depending on the CR differences between pker and pkee, the pker may receive xps (same as if versus a mob).
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And remember that threads/subjects already beaten to death that are resurrected get locked by a DM or Dev. Looks like I'm "it" again. 8)
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