Assassin Death attack.

Quiett · Post by **Quiett** » Thu Sep 23, 2004 2:03 pm

I wasn't sure if this was a bug, or just something I was unaware of, so I apologise if this is in the wrong spot.

I am playing an Assassin with a Death Attack DC of 27. I hit a lvl 24 monk and he/she failed the save, but was not paralysed. Talking with the monk from my dead body after my failed assassination attempt

, I found that he/she had no immunity from Para items, and didn't have Freedom of moment cast. The only thing I can think of is that the monks SR cancelled it, but it doesn't make sence since it isn't a spell.

Any Info would be greatly appricated.

And if the SR is the case, I guess I won't be playing an assassin anymore since it's already so costly to get a high DC with the death attack, if SR will cancel it, it's probably not worth it.

sep caldessian · Post by **sep caldessian** » Thu Sep 23, 2004 3:46 pm

level 20+ monks are immune to mind-affecting spells/effects.

Quiett · Post by **Quiett** » Thu Sep 23, 2004 4:13 pm

Well, that stinks. Guess my assassin will have to stay away from trying to sneak up on monks

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One other question, if it's a mind-affecting effect, why is it a Fort save instead of a Will save? Some weird idea of NWN, or was it changed in NS4.

Thanks for the quick response.

sep caldessian · Post by **sep caldessian** » Thu Sep 23, 2004 4:34 pm

Quiett wrote:Well, that stinks. Guess my assassin will have to stay away from trying to sneak up on monks .

One other question, if it's a mind-affecting effect, why is it a Fort save instead of a Will save? Some weird idea of NWN, or was it changed in NS4.

Thanks for the quick response.

because bioware didnt code the feat per PnP.

its supposed to be a fort save vs death, but instead of granting assassins a real honest-to-goodness death attack, they decided it would be better to have a fort save vs stun, which is negated not only by immunity to mind-affecting spells, but also freedom of movement.

in order for the "death" attack to "work" your opponent must be flat-footed outside of combat, totally unaware of you (hips doesnt count, iirc) susceptable to mind-effects, hold-effects, AND fail the fort save.

on a bright note, the PRC assassin has the real death attack parameters: Study target that is not in combat or aware of you for 3 rounds and then make an attack with a save vs death.

Quiett · Post by **Quiett** » Thu Sep 23, 2004 7:04 pm

on a bright note, the PRC assassin has the real death attack parameters: Study target that is not in combat or aware of you for 3 rounds and then make an attack with a save vs death.

Not quite sure what you meant by that. I was unaware of any other type of assassin other than the PRC assassin. I may just be reading it wrong. no sarcasm intended.

Well, at least I still have my poison. . . . . . hehe sooner or later.

Again, Thanks to the Devs for all they do.

Post by **Lokey** » Thu Sep 23, 2004 8:20 pm

PRC is a community effort to do PrCs per PnP, worth checking out though I'm not a fan of how they did some stuff. Try here: http://forums.netgamers.co.uk/forumdisplay.php?f=108

Could easily give assassins a real death attack with a hak is the point.

sep caldessian · Post by **sep caldessian** » Fri Sep 24, 2004 10:35 am

there are only a handful of servers using PRC and most of them arent to my liking. i do use it in all my single-player modules, the duelist is a favorite along with samurai, arcane trickster, and real assassin.

Quiett · Post by **Quiett** » Fri Sep 24, 2004 11:38 am

Could easily give assassins a real death attack with a hak is the point.

As much as I like that idea, I think it would be a bad thing for NS4. Not just for the Hak, but I kinda like the NWN Death attack. I can paralyse someone, and if they don't go into the 'WTF you @#%&@&', I can let them live without wasting a res scroll.

That and with having Dev Crit not available to fighter classes, It would cause alot of complaints I believe.

Throst54 · Post by **Throst54** » Sun Sep 26, 2004 1:00 pm

people are going to whine no matter what.. hell... there were ppl whining befoire NS4 even came out...

Terminal Insanity · Post by **Terminal Insanity** » Sun Sep 26, 2004 10:48 pm

is it possible to change the death attack to mabe a knockdown instead of a stun?

Or better yet, have Freedom of Movement not make you immune to stun... It shouldent anyways...

Spura · Post by **Spura** » Wed Sep 29, 2004 5:09 pm

it doesn't, it is paralysation effect not stun effect. THank you very much.

JesterOI · Post by **JesterOI** » Wed Sep 29, 2004 6:53 pm

Paralyzation is good because it allows sneak/death attacks

Quiett · Post by **Quiett** » Sun Oct 03, 2004 7:17 pm

Bleh. Just found out that Lesser Mind Blank makes you immune to the Paralyation of Death Attack. Silly NWN Bioware people

Heh, well, I guess I'll just have to get people when they're sleeping

Zhorn · Post by **Zhorn** » Sun Oct 03, 2004 7:49 pm

Yes it's a shame that level 1 spell "Protection from Evil" blocks it.
I rolled a 1 when you smacked me (Squiggles) with a Death Attack the other day but Prot from Evil spared me!

That spell is the reason why most of my casters tend to be "Neutral". But then yeah there is always the chance they've got Clarity or Mind Blank up....

Quiett · Post by **Quiett** » Sun Oct 03, 2004 8:11 pm

It would be nice if assassins didn't have to be Evil. Doesn't really work in RP though. I'm assuming Prot from evil works against NE too, makes sence that it would.

For a prestige class that is only allowed in SL, it really isn't that much of a benfit for SL, or a drawback for the other Factions. Not a complaint, just an observation.