We need a wipe.

Throst54 · Post by **Throst54** » Tue Sep 14, 2004 11:12 am

AlienOverlord wrote:Besides, I would like to try my shifters and druids once the shifting bug has been fixed with patch 1.64.

hmmmm

wipe....1.64....lalalala

Nemesis Revised · Post by **Nemesis Revised** » Tue Sep 14, 2004 6:49 pm

trent wrote:Well that idea might be good on other servers, but not here in my opinion. Full pvp is what makes this server great . If you see someone from an enemy faction, feel free to kill as you see fit. I think the problem lies in the amount of high lvl outcasts we have. Maybe my idea of "once a character gets outcasted from their faction they shouldn't receive XP untill they have redeemed themselves" isn't such a good idea, but i do believe the problem lies in outcasts. What do outcasts have to fight for? Nothing. They then become random pkers (hence my idea for a wipe). A wipe would remove all outcast players forcing everyone to start over and be in a faction once again. The "no xp for outcasts" would help in the number of outcasts running around random pking everything they see. I would like to see what everyone thinks of this idea.

I dont think high level outcasts are the only pker's around. There's a lot more who aren't necessarily outcasts. And the only way to avoid having high amounts of these outcasts is create a driving force in faction design so they'd be more encouraged to play actively in their factions. Apparently at this stage, most factions don't even have jobs yet - thus resulting to less faction involvement and would rather seek other stuff - like getting outcasted and going pking for fun.

nargileh · Post by **nargileh** » Wed Sep 15, 2004 9:58 am

There is indeed a problem with high level chars roaming around pretending to be god, while they only show how they have spent hours and hours killing effortless crap... "Hey i don't have a life but at least i'm level 40, bow to me"

I mean there ain't no epic areas yet, so what are these players testing? This ain't final yet, only beta, so what is the frikken point of killing zillions of effortless if u're gonna lose all that mindnumbing effort?
Is lvl 40 the only level where you can have fun with a character? As far as i know my fun starts at level 1, and without epic areas it dries up around level 20-25. I wish the devs would thank those level 30-40's and point out that the purpose of beta testing is to test. And that they're not contributing much, if not disrupting testing thru irresponsible PVP. Which in turn makes the beta phase longer than needed.

proposed solution: enforce a levelcap until the epic areas are introduced and de-level all players above the lvlcap. The cap can later be removed after the introduction of epic areas. If delevel can't be done, i simply propose a selective wipe, with the level-cap as selection criterium.

Wolfarus · Post by **Wolfarus** » Wed Sep 15, 2004 11:07 am

A level cap might be a good idea, but dont think its possible at this point. Its been hinted at and generally assumed that the main reason epic (i.e. new areas) areas havnt been added yet to further the beta test was the lack of servers. 2 servers running the basic factions barely get along as it is, adding epic and other areas prob would crash them. Well, if its mainly a hardware prob, why have they put up 2 NS 3.5 servers? (the other one is still passworded. shows up on the main server list) The only explanation i can think of is that NS 4 software needs a certain hardware set up to run..which dosnt make much sense. So if its servers we need to get more areas in, get the companions and familiars back, ect why waste the time with 3.5?

Psycho Dordt · Post by **Psycho Dordt** » Wed Sep 15, 2004 11:22 am

might be an idea, to enforce this penalty, each time you have killed an X amount of low lvls (10 lvls below you) and you are PKed within Y amount of time after that your corpse is lootable.

Throst54 · Post by **Throst54** » Wed Sep 15, 2004 12:13 pm

Wolfarus wrote:A level cap might be a good idea, but dont think its possible at this point. Its been hinted at and generally assumed that the main reason epic (i.e. new areas) areas havnt been added yet to further the beta test was the lack of servers. 2 servers running the basic factions barely get along as it is, adding epic and other areas prob would crash them. Well, if its mainly a hardware prob, why have they put up 2 NS 3.5 servers? (the other one is still passworded. shows up on the main server list) The only explanation i can think of is that NS 4 software needs a certain hardware set up to run..which dosnt make much sense. So if its servers we need to get more areas in, get the companions and familiars back, ect why waste the time with 3.5?

nooooo, epic areas havent been added yet because they arent done... the 3.5 servers arent made or using 4 parts. in fact, NS4 will prolly end up being hosted on 2 sets of 2 sharded servers.

the reason NS4 isnt having much development is b/c joran is still gone, and while new devs have been hired (notice satanrick-sp-) things havent quite gotten back into gear yet, and while all that is happening, ppl who dont particularly dev for 4 are doing so for 3.5, and then lokey places in scripts.
Not to even mention how much time the whole Always Autum ordeal will quaff DD's time.

why waste time with 3.5? because 4 isnt finished and a great deal of ppl dont wanna play on the beta, and if they cant be working on 4, why not on 3.5?

trent · Post by **trent** » Wed Sep 15, 2004 6:24 pm

Well the only reason i can think of as to why they let these high 40th lvl chars run around is to get an idea of what needs to be nerfed to balance out everything.

Throst54 · Post by **Throst54** » Wed Sep 15, 2004 10:43 pm

my idea is that ppl whine enough as it is and we dont need to give them another thing to whine about...

Blairconz · Post by **Blairconz** » Thu Sep 16, 2004 3:22 am

PPL only whine when something is wrong, there is only smoke where there is fire. The Developers should wipe, put more stuff in and fix the bugs and then release all the bloodthirsty Pkers back into the world with something for them to REALLY make a mess of

I AM A CONZ
A TRUE CONZ
ULTRACONZ

nargileh · Post by **nargileh** » Thu Sep 16, 2004 5:22 am

Psycho Dordt wrote:might be an idea, to enforce this penalty, each time you have killed an X amount of low lvls (10 lvls below you) and you are PKed within Y amount of time after that your corpse is lootable.

uh huh, and each time u meet some low critter on your way to anywhere u'll have to make sure you don't kill any ... I mean just going thru legion tunnels to get into menzo u'll already meet 50 effortless or so... Bad idea

Psycho Dordt · Post by **Psycho Dordt** » Thu Sep 16, 2004 6:40 am

nargileh wrote:
Psycho Dordt wrote:might be an idea, to enforce this penalty, each time you have killed an X amount of low lvls (10 lvls below you) and you are PKed within Y amount of time after that your corpse is lootable.
uh huh, and each time u meet some low critter on your way to anywhere u'll have to make sure you don't kill any ... I mean just going thru legion tunnels to get into menzo u'll already meet 50 effortless or so... Bad idea

I was talking about player not about mobs....
while English is not my 1st language i thought it was pretty obvious in my post

Souldin · Post by **Souldin** » Thu Sep 16, 2004 11:47 am

yes, it was

Spura · Post by **Spura** » Fri Sep 17, 2004 12:58 pm

pretty obvious. Problem is...highbie hunting. PPl would make lvl 1 and hunt you around with fists to provoke AoO just to get you PKed.

deathdearler1 · Post by **deathdearler1** » Sun Sep 19, 2004 1:59 am

i don't know why its such a big deal if they wipe or not. i personally plan on seeing it wiped everytime i log in. there isn't anything that is found in this game that cannot be regained another time. even if your only argument is that u spent so many hours playing to get that lvl 40 super killer going, why didn't u remember how u made it and make it again. i know everytime i play a new char. it lvls faster than the one b4 just because i figure out the little tricks that can be used earlier to help me. however, its not like i actually play the game every single night for 4 hours b4 i go to bed.

JesterOI · Post by **JesterOI** » Sun Sep 19, 2004 10:35 pm

JesterOI wrote:Fact is that there is going to be a vault wipe when the beta is finished.
N00b's should wait for that.
Vet's be aware that it IS going to happen eventually.

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