p/k'ing

b-mad · Post by **b-mad** » Wed Jun 30, 2004 7:22 pm

This is getting ridiculous. As if (now that high schools let out) all the okie's are running amok killing any and everyone no matter how weak they are wasn't bad enough now we have these slaves running around turning ppl to stone. I have no problem with ppl of near equal lvl dueling or ppl attacking someone raiding a town, but when 20+ lvl guys hang out in 9-11 lvl areas killing everyone who passes (emperor regean) or guys attack you when you're surrounded by 6-7 monsters it's a bit ridiculous.

If slaves and okies want to go to war thats fine but alot of ppl are on this svr to just test builds, lvl up, explore, interact with other ppl, and find the best equipment they can....not to travel a half-hour to get somewhere only to have some jerk who's 10+ lvls higher than u walk by and kill u 5 minutes after u get there....thus making u make the trip all over again. It really make this svr annoying and really not worth the aggravation.

Don't get me wrong,.this is by far the best build I've found and really wanna stay on it, but if getting p/k'd 2-3 times everyday and spend half my time traveling the same route back is gonna continue then someone who actually knows (dev, dm) tell me so i can look for something else.

BTW, this post is intended for dev's and dm's, not to debate p/k'n with a bunch of okies/slaves....I've given up tryin to talk to you guys so don't bother replying, I won't respond.

Post by **TGPO** » Wed Jun 30, 2004 7:55 pm

PvP is intergral to what the finished product will be.

That being said, we understand the frustration of being PK'd by a player 20 levels higher than you. We do have a solution that takes this topic and a few others on in a fair and non exploitable manner. However if you have looked at the bug tracker recently you can understand where its sitting fairly far down the "get it done list"

AndrewCarr · Post by **AndrewCarr** » Wed Jun 30, 2004 8:12 pm

Turning people to stone does seem to be popular now, and I think there's an xp loss from it, so that would be something, along with summon kills, that, imo, should be changed.

Just be more careful. Not everyone that pk's has max'd listen or spot so there's a decent to good chance that you can sneak or invis away.

Lunas · Post by **Lunas** » Wed Jun 30, 2004 9:07 pm

AndrewCarr wrote:Turning people to stone does seem to be popular now, and I think there's an xp loss from it, so that would be something, along with summon kills, that, imo, should be changed.

Just be more careful. Not everyone that pk's has max'd listen or spot so there's a decent to good chance that you can sneak or invis away.

well here is a solution to the pk or kills given to you by pk rather than monsters kill tokens that are put on people only when they are killed by monsters this could if it can bescripted right make it so summons dont give you penaltys and stoners dont give you penaltys as to get a penalty you need to respawn with this item in your inventory

rodney_ws · Post by **rodney_ws** » Thu Jul 01, 2004 3:21 pm

Yeah, I agree that the turn-to-stone and lose XP trick is a dirty one... to me that would definitely constitute griefing considering casters have better spells with higher DCs that can kill you without an XP loss. I'm not going to get into the whole high level killing low level debate... that's an endless one at best, but any higher level caster that is using turn to stone against low level guys is deliberately attempting to ruin their gaming experience. I realize they stay busy, but maybe the DMs will be able to watch a few battles and catch a few of these guys in the act. Player killing is fun and part of the game, but this is taking it to a new level. If a high level guy catches a low level guy near his binding location, he could easily delevel the character back to level one in no time. I've killed hundreds of players, but never once did I try to think up a way to cost them XP... that's just wrong.

To the characters suffering from this... hang in there... caster DCs peak early and as we all approach level 40, more and more spells will become meaningless. Just keep a list of the casters that have stoned you handy and lay low... a well built melee character should own most any caster by level 40 (or much earlier if you've got a really solid build)

b-mad · Post by **b-mad** » Thu Jul 01, 2004 4:26 pm

TGPO wrote:PvP is intergral to what the finished product will be.

That being said, we understand the frustration of being PK'd by a player 20 levels higher than you. We do have a solution that takes this topic and a few others on in a fair and non exploitable manner. However if you have looked at the bug tracker recently you can understand where its sitting fairly far down the "get it done list"

Well as long as it's gonna be addressed I'm happy. With a build this huge I can certainly understand how this falls on the priority list and am content as long as it'll be dealt with at some point. Thanx for the info and keep up the good work.

Throst54 · Post by **Throst54** » Thu Jul 01, 2004 4:33 pm

This is getting ridiculous. As if (now that high schools let out) all the okie's are running amok killing any and everyone no matter how weak they are wasn't bad enough now we have these slaves running around turning ppl to stone. I have no problem with ppl of near equal lvl dueling or ppl attacking someone raiding a town, but when 20+ lvl guys hang out in 9-11 lvl areas killing everyone who passes (emperor regean) or guys attack you when you're surrounded by 6-7 monsters it's a bit ridiculous.
so i'm going to [censored] and moan about it b/c it's all i can do. it's all anyone else does so i think i'll join them.
If slaves and okies want to go to war thats fine but alot of ppl are on this svr to just test builds, lvl up, explore, interact with other ppl, and find the best equipment they can because taht's obviously the only thing the server is set up for, it's obivous b/c why else woudl they have 7 factions....not to travel a half-hour to get somewhere only to have some jerk who's 10+ lvls higher than u walk by and kill u 5 minutes after u get there....thus making u think about whether or not i shud go back there. but i went back again b/c i knew they were there so i coudl die again. i didnt think of goign somewhere else possibly.

Don't get me wrong,.this is by far the best build I've found and really wanna stay on it, but if getting p/k'd 2-3 times everyday and spend half my time traveling the same route back is gonna continue then someone who actually knows a differnt place i can goplease do tell.
BTW, this post is intended for dev's and dm's, not to debate p/k'n with a bunch of okies/slaves....I've given up tryin to talk to you guys so don't bother replying, I won't respond because i know that poeple are even more tierd of listening to people like me whine.

BaconStrip · Post by **BaconStrip** » Sun Jul 04, 2004 2:35 am

LOLz, this mod still exists? I went on tonight for the first time since my last post on this forum (2 months ago?), and there were 11 people on a server that holds 64. Used to be hard to get a spot on the server on a Saturday night, but geez. The server I play on now was packed till 3 in the morning last night when I could finally get on yet was too tired to play. I knew this was going to happen. You allow pks like this and combine it with god awful server stability, it doesn't make a recipe for success.

Just tell me the Devs have ran out of steam and the DMs don't care, I'll accept that as an answer. But don't keep saying "It's Beta!!!", cause I simply don't buy it anymore.

BTW: Can you get healed or restored by temple priests yet? That one has been on the list for months, just curious if it was ever implemented or have the Devs just not had the literal 2 minutes time it would take to put it in.

JesterOI · Post by **JesterOI** » Sun Jul 04, 2004 8:33 am

It's been a almost 2 weeks since school's let out, so the initial rush of ppl trying to get on has died down.
It is also summertime for most players, so go figure that they would be out enjoying the warmer weather.
And finally, it's a long weekend for ppl in north america, Confederation or Independence, depending on where you live, a lot of people have gone out of town or have visitors.
Those would be my guesses why not many people are on this weekend.

Throst54 · Post by **Throst54** » Tue Jul 06, 2004 2:09 am

man... i hate pks...

why what's the pint? does it make people feel big?

scarletadept · Post by **scarletadept** » Tue Jul 06, 2004 6:33 am

Is this game mostly about PKing now? I haven't played it yet, but looking at these forums, all I see is talk about how this build can kill this build and someones spell DCs are too high for another player to live, etc..

I didn't think I'd ever say "I miss NS3" game-balance, but if NS4 allowes unrestricted griefing, then I may pass.

What happened to hunts for loot and fighting against tough areas? Is that still popular, or are players more worried about what 15 year-olds are online and wanting to kill characters 20 levels lower than them?

Metavirulent · Post by **Metavirulent** » Tue Jul 06, 2004 6:44 am

Yeah´, part of the problem of being on a PvP server is that you have to be worried that your build is not just good PvM but also PvP. This rules out "support" characters in a way who may have been designed to aid the group but are more prone to be defenseless vs pkers.

Nonetheless, not all areas are equally dangerous, the world is big and the boards make it sound like you get pk'd more than you actually are.

trent · Post by **trent** » Tue Jul 06, 2004 7:06 am

i don't mind getting pk'd (as long as it isn't in a safe place like avendell ) ... its what makes this mod so much fun. its the reason i try so hard with my char build and endless search for new and better items. i like that fact you can't buy raise dead scrolls anywhere and that gear has lvl restictions. as with anything in life there are thos who wanna cry about the down side no matter how bad it is . the devs , dm's , and creators didn't have to spend hrs apon hrs to make this mod for us now did they. i would understand getting all upset and start freaking out if there wasn't the option of respawning with little or no xp loss . so what .. you got killed .. lets have a cow and think its the end of the world. make freinds and have fun was i think the point of this mod. sure sometimes you will think something done to you was unfair and everyone at one point will be pk'ed by another char 10+ lvl's higher ..... it happens to everyone not just you. ...... be thankfull for this mod don't put it down for what it lacks........
just my thoughts

P.S i do indeed think BETA TEST is a valid excuse for bugs you might find ....

Drunken_Dwarf · Post by **Drunken_Dwarf** » Tue Jul 06, 2004 10:41 am

I have been playing on NS for about three weeks now. My toon is getting up in levels and I have been having a wonderful time. *Hats off to the Devs*

But I have also never been PKed - no purpose. The occasional Missile Storm and being in the wrong place at wrong time, but never hunted down and killed. And I have killed a few newbies, strickly by accident of course.

Would it ruin the experience to be hunted? HELL NO! It would be fun to write that toons name down, level up a few times and then hunt them or their faction-mates.

Maybe people take PvP a bit too personal. It is only a game after all. Make the most of it and if you decide that PvP is not your style then I would suggest http://www.worldofamon.dynu.com , a mod where they strongly (aka - Ban) discourage PvP.

I like NS and the PvP. It be fun.

DD

Kell Of Neversummer · Tue Jul 06, 2004 12:55 pm

Not necessarily true. I have a longsword that I wear to Ren Faires. The hilt IS long enough to wield it two-handed. When I bought it, the vendor had the same blade with a hand and a half hilt - it could be wielded two handed but would be very awkward.

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