The painful days of a dex char

[Throst54]

i prefer handaxes... somethign is just too good to pass up that a 1/2lign can smack ppl aroudn with and have a x3 crit and yeah...

plus not many other ppl use em...

shortswords and kukri's are overrated

[JesterOI]

Being able to swap out shields depending on what kind of enemy you're fighting is priceless in my opinion.
Only time I would consider using a 2 hander or dualwielding would be vs a mage.

[Spura]

I take sling over bow any day. You get to have shield and the base damage difference is not important once you get really high sneak attack damage. Slinger always beats archer 1v1.

[Metavirulent]

Ok, thanks for the many answers to my original post.
Quite a few suggest that if planned well, a dex char is kicking some [censored].
I'd like to know what you mean by a well-planned char.

My current rogue has developped into rogue(8)/wizard(1)/AA(2) and I'm planning on leveling as AA for quite some time. I'm considering 2 more wiz levels for cat's and at least another rogue level for the sneak attack and to improve tumble and UMD as a class skill. Alternatively, I might take rogue up to 13 for the epic dodge feat.

As for the rest, I'm probably sticking to AA to see how good they can be.
At the moment, the character is rather weak for its level, but that was the case since level 1.

I'd be rather interested what you mean by a well-planned dex char and what could be the reason why my char feels so wimpy, I don't see anything that I did completely wrong with it as far as I can tell.

[AndrewCarr]

I take sling over bow any day. You get to have shield and the base damage difference is not important once you get really high sneak attack damage. Slinger always beats archer 1v1.

Some problems with that. The bow user should be outdmging you, b/c of their crit multiplier, and rapid shot, not to mention AA lvls. Also, you wouldn't be getting sneak attacks vs them in 1v1.

[JesterOI]

Then again the slinger probably has 50% immune peirce and 15/- resist peirce if built right.
And the rogue would be getting sneak attacks all the time wouldn't he? (could be easily wrong with this one, never tested it).

[AndrewCarr]

I don't see how the slinger will get sneak attacks when both are just shooting each other.

[Spura]

I take sling over bow any day. You get to have shield and the base damage difference is not important once you get really high sneak attack damage. Slinger always beats archer 1v1.

Some problems with that. The bow user should be outdmging you, b/c of their crit multiplier, and rapid shot, not to mention AA lvls. Also, you wouldn't be getting sneak attacks vs them in 1v1.

We aren't talking AA here. With rogue vs rogue you have better chances of winning with sling. My bard slinger on PvP server killed 2 archers in 2v1 often simply because towershield with good bonus on it is so good for AC.

[JesterOI]

I would sacrifice 1 ac from a tower shield or a large shield for the -2 skill check from large shields instead of the -10 from towershields.
Then again it's also too easy to quickslot a towershield and remove it when you need to use you rogue'ly skills.

There's an idea for a shield, a Rogue's Wall (Towershield)
Useable by rogues only (rp purposes) this shield would be the same regular imbued shield, but would have skill bonuses to negate the armor check penalty on the armor.

[dragon nutz]

well i made a pretty good duel wield dexer b4 and it rocked pretty good
not going to give my classes and all away but theres no rogue or ranged attacks.

it can be done to make a highly effective AB, AC dexer the only thing that sux is dex fighters suck in PVP.

[sep caldessian]

well i made a pretty good duel wield dexer b4 and it rocked pretty good
not going to give my classes and all away but theres no rogue or ranged attacks.

it can be done to make a highly effective AB, AC dexer the only thing that sux is dex fighters suck in PVP.

only when damage immunity/reduction items come into play.

[-=Mushra=-]

if going melee, try a str rogue sounds stupid but it works, or more fun dualwielding kukri's part rogue part weaponsmaster and i don;t mean wp only till lv 7 but alot more. cause yes people wp above 7 does have a good point

and tbh cleric overpowering? not really its not always that easy to make a cleric all around good. mostly its either casting and good saves or melee and low saves and low casting. make it alot better saves you will lose 1/4 of your ab and need to use spells to get a high ab so only a dispel will be enough to take you out.

[dragon nutz]

well i made a pretty good duel wield dexer b4 and it rocked pretty good
not going to give my classes and all away but theres no rogue or ranged attacks.

it can be done to make a highly effective AB, AC dexer the only thing that sux is dex fighters suck in PVP.

only when damage immunity/reduction items come into play.

no honestly i have made builds with same dex as i had str and it is herder to hit for some reason has nothing to do with red items cause that wouls fall into play the same as str reguardless it reduces actual dmg not whethe it's str or dex based dmg.

[IcemanXV]

well i made a pretty good duel wield dexer b4 and it rocked pretty good
not going to give my classes and all away but theres no rogue or ranged attacks.

it can be done to make a highly effective AB, AC dexer the only thing that sux is dex fighters suck in PVP.

only when damage immunity/reduction items come into play.

no honestly i have made builds with same dex as i had str and it is herder to hit for some reason has nothing to do with red items cause that wouls fall into play the same as str reguardless it reduces actual dmg not whethe it's str or dex based dmg.

Since str chars do overall more damage (more ability to focus in str and not dex), there is more damage to get past the immunities and reductions.

A dex char DOES work wonders without these reductions, because the difference between 4 attacks @ 25 each vs 4 attacks @ 19 + 2 attacks @ 16 is not as much. 4 attacks @ 3-6 damage is MUCH more than 6 attacks @ 0-2 damage.

[Metavirulent]

Does imbued arrows from an AA pierce physical resistances?
In other words, does +5 at level 9 pierce stoneskin?

How many monsters in NS4 do have physical immunities (as opposed to physical resistance)?