Okay - what character you going to make first?

Billiard · Post by **Billiard** » Mon Apr 12, 2004 6:33 pm

Well I like both solo and team play - depending on how much time I have and who else is around. It would be a shame if you always had to party in order to get anywhere.

Throst54 · Post by **Throst54** » Mon Apr 12, 2004 6:45 pm

so your are going to find that the people that can solo and be a help to thier faction are the best builds...

and here we are looking at clerics again...

Billiard · Post by **Billiard** » Mon Apr 12, 2004 6:47 pm

yeah clerics will probably be a decent choice - though I am betting highlevel sorcs will be pretty good as well

Throst54 · Post by **Throst54** » Mon Apr 12, 2004 6:52 pm

the thing is tho that clerics can be melee, support, healer, offenive/defensive spell caster. mages dont do all of that.
and the thing is, that a well built cleric can excell at all of those.
domains put them up aboce druids otherwise druids wud be much arguably better.

Billiard · Post by **Billiard** » Mon Apr 12, 2004 6:56 pm

Clerics never really excel at melee as compared to fighters or at spells as compared to sorc. They are more flexible to be sure. A high level sorc can pretty much obliterate everything though.

powerferret · Post by **powerferret** » Mon Apr 12, 2004 6:59 pm

except maybe an assassin.....

assassin : *backstabbed!*

Sorc. : "Huuuuuurk! Bleeeaaaahhhh......" *dies*

Billiard · Post by **Billiard** » Mon Apr 12, 2004 7:01 pm

well - if the sorc is buffed it would be hard. Of course assassins are all into the element of surprise thing.

Throst54 · Post by **Throst54** » Mon Apr 12, 2004 7:01 pm

actually billard w/ HoU u can get a pure cleric to do mroe dmg and have a higher ab than a fighter.

Billiard · Post by **Billiard** » Mon Apr 12, 2004 7:05 pm

Buffed maybe - but that never seems to last a whole battle! I made a couple of melee Clerics and was kind of disappointed.

Throst54 · Post by **Throst54** » Mon Apr 12, 2004 7:11 pm

imp combat castign is a must, then things become easy...

not to mention casting hold person on a few times while you beat them down will be nice..

so billard what build u going to use?

Post by **DeputyDog** » Mon Apr 12, 2004 7:44 pm

Solo/Team Classes

Clerics are good because of pets and melee, and are vital to make rez and raise dead scrolls for everyone.

Druids are very good becuase of the extra pet from animal companion(lots of those to find) and becuase they get premo and Spell resist.

Sorc/Wiz are good becuase of pets and magic of course and are vital for most good potions.

Bard is tough but once you get past first few levels you can get a pet and be a nice archer or finesse class, or support.

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Paladin is nice because they dont run from dragons and demons and they get alot of weapon buff spells later.

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Fighter is quick to level but can get overrun easy
Use a shield

Barbarian is like fighter but needs some support
Rage and go for mega dmg or use a shield.

Ranger is capable becuase they can charm an animal. Otherwise like ftr.

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Rogue is the epitome of a party class. Alone it is a lonely life of sneaking and stealing and hard fights. In a party it is a death dealing dmg machine with melee or archery and sneak attack.

Monk is a double edged sword. At low levels solo you will get hurt.
Once you get the AC up and stay away from undead/demons solo you can be ok. Best with party, hence the fast speed to run from group to group.
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Now throw in subraces and all of these can get pretty unique.
Remember that ECL slows you down alot in the mid and high levels, but makes for a more powerful build.

Kender/Anything for fear immune is a good combo.

Planetouched/Anything is good but the rez penalty is harsh.

Drow/Anything is insane at high levels from the SR but slow slow slow to level.

My new favorite is Paladin/Sorc Aasimar.
20% Immne to Elec/Cold/Acid
Immune to Dominate and Charm
+2 Wis and Cha
Fear and Disease Immune from pally
Great saves
Can fight with a great sword and buff it up big time with greater magic, keen, flame, etc
Good pets.
Talks the talk.

50 xp/per lvl and 10% gp penalty on raise dead/rez or respawn though.
2ECL - Slower to level

Everything has a price

I wont go into prestige classes, but these findings are just based off of my extensive playtesting.

Billiard · Post by **Billiard** » Mon Apr 12, 2004 9:44 pm

Until DDs post I was gonna try a monk/sd to start. Now I don't know! I am usually a party friendly sort so I may end up starting with a cleric first! Ack that is a scary thought since I really didn't like any of the cleric builds I made in NS3!

Kurth · Post by **Kurth** » Tue Apr 13, 2004 12:09 am

But remember friend this is NS4 not NS3. I myself am going to be a Pally/WM aesmer thingy, my 2nd char will be a strait cleric, then of course everyone needs to be evil some times \<>:twisted:<>/

Soooo my 3rd char will be some *looks up how to spelll word* concoction of a Black Guard assasin build as this is my favorite build ever in any D&D game:!:, it just needs some goody goodies to be slain, so the only question is wether you can have chars in more than one faction easily? I would *again* presume so, but still, its a "whole different type of animal."

P.S. DD is there any way we could get a live update system on IRC of the status of NS4 *realises he has become the ever annoying poster* but really the wait hurts my head, and my grades hehe (wait till NS4 comes out. . . ouch)

DrakhanValane · Post by **DrakhanValane** » Tue Apr 13, 2004 1:06 am

Right now You can have chars in any faction you want and you can have chars in all of them if you please. I hope it stays that way.

Black Guard/Assassin won't be possible unless the "only one Prestige Class per char" rule is lifted.

Coru · Post by **Coru** » Tue Apr 13, 2004 1:57 am

Will characters be wiped when ns4 goes from open beta to regular live status?