See how fighting a chugger can get you baned

[OpalimTeGolim]

heya all,
Thorac had mentioned something similar about chugging in post here, but I think it might deserve a separate topic, because it's not just an issue related to relic events, and, as I have experienced today, it can be abused.

My motivation comes from a ban I got today during the event. SL was being raided by RR toon (forgot which one) so I logged MJ, my igms spammer, to defend. RR toon stood near the relic cradle and i started hitting him with igms, but he was chugging. Since healing potions heal for more than 140, there was no way I could kill him. "How lame" I thought, and I was kinda sad because I though the dude will chug his way out of SL in the same way as they did in the morning in MA. And relic event shouldn't be about who can chug more. Then I noticed that mcNinja was in the relic room too, and he grabbed the relic. Chugger blocked the door of the relic room so mcNinja couldn't get out and he continued chugging. At that point I got really pissed and I casted time stop on Chugger, which mcNinja used to ran out. Honestly, I was happy ninja got the relic and not the RR guy, because ninja did not chug and he won it in a fair way. Anyways, the relic was gone (can't spot ninja), so I wanted to slow down the RR guy who was following ninja, just because he was chugger, and I dislike chuggers. I casted bigby7 (not 9) to slow RR guy down (because I can't kill him with igms if he chugs). Then he started chasing me, but I hipsed (he had no problem hitting me when I was not hipsed). I just assumed that he'd chug if i started hitting him with igms (which i did not have many left), and I didn't want to give him the pleasure of killing me, so I stayed there for few moments observing what he's going to do. He was surrounded by few npcs. Sane person might run in that situation, but he did not. Eventually I just left because he didn't deserve a fight and relic was gone. At that time he was injured and had like 4 or 5 npc-s around him. For a guy that just cleared the relic room, and used bunch healing pots, few guards shouldn't be a problem to handle. I went back to spawning point, rested as far as I remember and stayed there for like 10 min. Then I reloged my other toon and I got banned for the rest of the heat. Reason: npcs killed chugger and he lost xp. Problem was that I left the screen while he had bigby7 on him. That is against the rules (didn't know about that rule, my bad).
I would have resurected him if he or his friends had sent me tell. Not because I like him, but because it's what you do in pvp when someone gets killed by npcs. I have resurected ppl before, and they can confirm that. As far as I'm concerned, he could have just chugged his way out of menzo. Why he didn't do that, I don't know. As far as I'm concerned he could have just whined to DM and died there so I get banned. I would like to know if that was the case, because I just assumed it and I don't want to blame someone for something that he didn't do. But there is the problem: you can get other ppl banned when you chug.

The way I understand, problem was that I left the map while he was hit with bigby7 (not 9, we're talking about bigby that slows and you can still chug as much as you want as far as I know). If I had stayed and he died by mobs, the way I understood when I was explained why I got banned, it would be legal. Guy would still loose xp tho. If that is so, this rule is an exploit bait and has to be changed. On the other hand, if I would have got banned even if I stayed there, the problem is that with him chugging there is no way I could tell if I could kill him or not. Nothing prevents him from chugging the moment I hit him with igms and then killing me when i spend all igms. So, no matter what the rule is, it can (and I believe was) be exploited in such way that chugger gets the other guy banned.

Anyways, I honestly believe that rules concerning chugging need to be changed. One way would be that as soon as one starts chugging in pvp, he is no longer protected by different rules such as those above (because of the problem for non-chugger I described above). The other way is to somehow disable using healing potions in pvp, but I don't know how hard that would be. Another interesting proposal I heard today was to make possible to easily pick pocket massive amounts of healing potions and kits. I am all for that, but it wouldn't solve the problem.

P.S.
I got banned for around 4 hours instead 24 hours, which is standard punishment for breaking this rule. Thanks for that. I'm done for this event (traveling tomorrow). Hope there will be less use of pots and kits next time.

[Alkapwn]

A bad call for sure. Bigby 7 doesnt even disable a toon. He could have kept chugging away to avoid death. Its the noobs own fault for sure.

I'm sure Tep made a ruling about this last year with regards to raiding toons that have been disabled (not a bannable offence). Which in this case the toon wasn't even disabled.

If I shouted foul everytime a NPC landed a killing hit on me because i was Token'd ,stunned , kd'd etc.. while raiding DM's would be spending more time giving out bans then anything else.

Boo @ DM for a lousy call. I'm sure Tep would agree

[mining]

And god knows what would have happened if he got smited to the ground by NC or AO epics while they were, heaven forbid, chugging!

[TheEdge]

This was my call just so there is no confusion.

To clarify pot chugging is cheese but not againsed the rules. Will this change durring relic events or daily play? I will discuss with the rest of the staff but I doubt it.

Concirning the decision. Is helping a enemy faction raid your own cradle then going as far as to open the door for them to let them out then watching them run away while hindering the other toon from engaging in PVP withthe other raiding toon illeagal? Again no, no matter how cheesy it is.

Is casting a Bigby 7 (which slowes one from running dramiticly) or 9 which we all know what it does, and standing for a bit just watching the player you cast that againsed get surrounded by NPCs and then just walk away to let them die because you didnt like the way they were fighting againsed the rules? I decided yes and stand by my decision.

If you have any further questions about my actions please feel free to PM me and I will be happy to respond.

[Amoenotep]

III - Thou shalt not exploit known bugs, nor intentionally cause another player to suffer a respawn penalty. This includes purposefully using summons or nearby NPCs to kill a player with the intention of causing a respawn penalty; if it happens accidentally, remember, it's on your head to prove that it was truly an accident if it becomes a problem.


disabling a player so he can't/has trouble with getting away and leaving them to die is against this rule here