PWnD “Hiders and Seekers” Event - Aug 9, 2009

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PWnD “Hiders and Seekers” Event - Aug 9, 2009

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It seems like no matter what the event is, we always say “no sneakers”. The element of Hide vs Spot is so crutial that once you allow Hiders in a random tournament it gives them a huge advantage. So often they are omitted. But it shouldn’t always be the case. So we are thinking of trying an event that actually features them. Calling it “Hiders and Seekers”.

= Hiders =
A Hider is classified as any character who uses the skillz Hide and Move Silently as a primary ability. The venue will allow for Outdoor HIPS so that Rangers without SD levels can participate. It will also allow for “Corner” Hiders such as Monks, Bards or Rogues that use Line of Sight interruptions to Hide.

= Seekers =
I guess the definition of a seeker is anyone who pursues a hider. Obviously many Seekers will be spotters but it will not be required that a Seeker have the Spot skill. Listen will be fine. Even no spot or listen will be fine. A seeker will simply need to be willing to fight a Hider and have some means of doing so.

= Event Structure =
The action will be a series of 1v1 battles where a “hider” tries to defeat a “seeker”. Although the battles are 1v1 this is actually team event. Two teams involved: the Hiders and the Seekers.

Each “round” will feature one randomly selected player from each team to battle against one another. The winner of each round will earn 1 point for their team. Then two new players will then be announced. The two participants will be allowed to buff (Self Buff Only but UMD is Allowed). The 'coordinator' will give a 1 minute announcement. 10 second announcement. A count down and a “go”. The two players will duel to the death. No characters will be allowed to heal or rest. In the event of a Draw one point will be earned for the team which is or was most recently trailing in the overall standings.

= The Challenge =
Obviously, this is slanted in favor of the spotters. An SD’s strength is when he fights someone without spot and/or catches them off guard. Unfortunately, the structure of this event removes both of those advantages. We can’t really say "Hiders Welcome but No Spotters". So this will really just be a challenge to see if hiders can overcome the disadvantage of fighting people that CAN see them. But to try and level the playing field a little bit:
  • - * - Self Buff Only. Thus disallowing a Div focused cleric to buff a Zen Based Arcane Archer.
  • - * - No Summons. Which excludes the Solars with their Cleric buffs etc.
  • - * - Outdoor venue. Thus, if you have Ranger levels you’ll enjoy the +4 Hide/MS bump for being outdoors.
  • - * - Plenty of obstructions. Buildings etc litter the venue. Which will allow additional bonuses to hiders and force casters and spotters to move. Reducing their Spot while they move.
  • - * - It’s a perennially dark map. Giving additional bonuses to Hiders.
So there are a lot of perks for the Hiders. Heck, I may have actually slanted the playing field too far the other way. Only time will tell.

= Venue =
All that makes you wonder, “Where the heck is he going to have this thing?” Well, it isn’t Avendell. Lol. The map I’m thinking of is called, “Old Town North”. I think the map will be perfect. There is a fence around a cluster of buildings. The fence will represent the boundaries of the “ring”. All onlookers will be allowed to stand outside the fence and watch. The map always has an aura of darkness. The cluster of buildings is a pretty large area. It’s larger than the arena for sure.

** To find Old Town North is very easy. Travel South from Avendell Crossing to Silver Road Elvenshire. Enter Elvenshire and take the west Exit to Fallow Downs. West of Fallow is Old Town North.

= Sign up =
Players may sign up by reply to this thread or by PM to me. Late comers will also be allowed but please try and let me know ahead of time. Even if you are not sure that you can attend I’d rather pencil you in. This will allow me to do some organization ahead of time.

= When =
Unless something comes up. We’ll host this event on Saturday, Aug 8 at 7:30 CST. Hopefully you all can make it.

'til then...

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Re: PWnD “Hiders and Seekers” Event - Aug 8, 2009

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Count me in... but I'm not tellin which toon I am using :wink:

And I can forsee a lot of 'draws'. Might want to layout the circumstances for that scenario beforehand.
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can't wait for an event that actually lets me use McNinja :P
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I'm in!!! Just have to figure out which toon to play.
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a Saturday night? :?

can't do it on a sunday night?
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I will be out of town so I will not be able to attend. I do think it is a GREAT idea and the location is perfect. I can't wait to read the results of this. :D
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I'll be there :D

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can cheeze wiz come? she's a seeker of hiders :)
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Can I bring a Hipsing seeker? I think the hiders might hate me for it though...

Heck, i might not even be able to make it.
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Yeah i'd bring Avarice as a seeker but she also has hips but is definitely no real hider
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Re: PWnD “Hiders and Seekers” Event - Aug 8, 2009

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Thanks for the replies.
Bargeld wrote:Count me in... but I'm not tellin which toon I am using
Got no problem with that. Gaining back a bit of the element of surprise. Tell me in a PM though. I have no real horse in this race to be as forthcoming as you can. Your info is safe.

I’d just like to organize as much as possible. If we’re short on entrants, I’d be open to letting players play more than one character. Just depends on how many we get. If you (or anyone else) have two ‘potentials’ just list them in order of preference.
Bargeld wrote:And I can forsee a lot of 'draws'. Might want to layout the circumstances for that scenario beforehand.
Rethinking, you might be right about that. Especially, if the team who is trailing gets a point for a draw. With that one team would always be playing for a draw. So that’s no good. Scratch that.

*Hence, taking recommendations on how to deal with ‘Draws’. But my primary goal is to keep it as simple as possible.
Ajantis. wrote:a Saturday night? can't do it on a sunday night?
I know man. I wish it could be convenient for everyone. I was thinking of maybe having two sessions? I know the time is quite inconvenient for the overseas players. Thus, I considered having a second session on Sunday Morning. But then the results wouldn’t be known until Sunday. Unfortunately, I can’t do it all weekend or the wife will make it where I can’t sit for a week.
Amoenotep wrote:can cheeze wiz come? she's a seeker of hiders
Of course. Naturally the appearance of Cheeze Wiz is the perfect way to end anything. Bring her out, wipe us all, and we’ll know that the event is officially over. :)
Rufio wrote:Can I bring a Hipsing seeker? I think the hiders might hate me for it though...
I’ve been debating this. As it stands now, you and Avarice might be the only two who are willing to play spotters. So may have no choice.

But really, the whole point of this was to have an event where hiders are included. Why start now with, “Seekers can’t be Hiders.” Afterall, Spot is a class skill of Rogues, SD’s and Rangers so it shouldn’t give the seekers much of an advantage.
Alkapwn wrote:Yeah I'd bring Avarice as a seeker but she also has hips but is definitely no real hider.
First. I disagree. Avarice used to drive me crazy before I built a spotter. Also, Avarice can dispel which makes her a better hider than the numbers might show.

It’ll be fun in either case.



So how’s that. As often as possible I answered your questions with questions. And if you didn’t ask a question I answered with a question anyway.

Looking forward to it guys.

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Edit: Somehow I botched the paste from Word and left out a portion of this. Updated.
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Re: PWnD “Hiders and Seekers” Event - Aug 8, 2009

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- Ug. -

I knew this would happen. You can blame this on Savage. :) Just as soon as I'm thinking, "Sure Saturday sounds good!" his wife goes off and decides its the perfect night to through the 'once every six months' dinner party. Now my wife will be like, "So. You're not going to go 'cuz you're playin' video games?!?!?!?" lol.

Bottomline, I'm sorry guys but Saturday night is a no go.

A couple of options. Postpone until Sunday afternoon or Postpone until the following Saturday or do both as Round 1 and Round 2.

Do most people feel like they can make it Sunday afternoon? I'm guessing its better for AJ. And it sounded like Rufio was working some conflicts too.

Let me know.

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... pS Tep, Will cheeze wiz be available Sunday or does she take the day off? hehe

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Re: PWnD “Hiders and Seekers” Event - Aug 8, 2009

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I am reading this on my mobile phone ao it already might be answered and I skipped it. Are seekers alowed to use HIPS?
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Daltian wrote:I am reading this on my mobile phone ao it already might be answered and I skipped it. Are seekers alowed to use HIPS?
Can I bring a Hipsing seeker? I think the hiders might hate me for it though...

I’ve been debating this. As it stands now, you and Avarice might be the only two who are willing to play spotters. So may have no choice.

But really, the whole point of this was to have an event where hiders are included. Why start now with, “Seekers can’t be Hiders.” Afterall, Spot is a class skill of Rogues, SD’s and Rangers so it shouldn’t give the seekers much of an advantage.
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