Deneir, (He deserves respect because he can spawn monsters!)

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Deneir, (He deserves respect because he can spawn monsters!)

Post by jyrtojard »

This is solely about Deneir.. Lord of objects and abuse. I was in a cave with a friend.. when unexpected things happened. We went into a dead end room looking for mobs, and the door locks and closes.. only to open back up with two very deadly mobs outside waiting for us. We battle... I die, but my friend, being a tank, managed to finish them as they were weakened from my spells and such.. I get a raise (Which is mandatory, seeing how this happened from a dm) from Deneir which had by this time sent me a tell, stating a tip about a spell I used. Well at this point i'm pretty uneasy about the interference of my gameplay by this guy.. so I don't answer him..hoping he'll leave me alone. Not long after I buffed my summon and friend, there was another tell saying to me that I should at least respond to them, as they gave a tip.. ect. ...but I refuse to.. as I wasn't even in the mood to talk at that point. Then suddenly, my summon dies.. merely seconds after buffing it.. Needless to say, this is Deneir's work of abuse of power, for no legal reason other than me..being silent. He tells me i'm being rude at this point.. but I clearly state, "Likewise" and add, "Being rude isn't staying silent" I was then told that he deserves respect as he has given me ( i guess from killing me with his spawns and ressing I dont know) and that I need a break. At this point, I was banned. Could anyone point out the rules of being silent is a potential ban?

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Post by Shhhhhhh »

Thats kinda how it is, DM can do whatever they want and if you dont like it, you better not show it.
Luckily things like this don't happen very often, but I guess if people get powers without any rules to go with them, they occasionally want to show off their powers and feel superiour.
I guess its as a reward for the work they do for the server.

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If someone raises you be it DM or player you should say thanks as they could have easily left you there dead.

Also the DM was proably trying to give you some fun by sporning a mob for you to fight. People die to mods at any lvl you just have to take it and hope you can get a rez if not just resporn and get over it. To be hoist your lucky the DM raised you in the 1st place.
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Altering posts aye? No wonder this server stays populated, issues like this are deleted and never seen. Rest be sured, I'll let people know.

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As someone who has been here a while let me say that this kind of thing happens all the time. You reacted the wrong way im sorry. About 2 weeks or less ago me and a party member were doing ice efreets when the same DM spawned a bunch of illthid scouts 1st then the harder ones all around us coming into the cave.

I laughed and had a great time and the other guy had never experienced it and he was a melee toon so got stunned by the illthid attack a cpl times but i imploded or destructed most of them. We survived by the skin of our teeth basically and the new guy with me had a ball, as did I.

Deneir then sent me a tell saying he was impressed the 2 of us had survived. Ive been on the otherside as well where the DM spawned mob kills me and ive yet to not get a raise, rarely even have to ask for it. LOL today in dwarves Lolth spawned in the mist of our party and being an NC pally i hit my quick chat commands to threaten her, next second i was dead - never asked for but recieved a raise immediately.

Another example is when DM chase spawned the dracolich on the mountain trail a high epic monster in a lvl 9 ish area and asked for someone to kill it. I got my NC pally knowing full well alone i stood no chance but me and the DM controling the dracolich had 15 minutes of running around cat and mouse when he could of killed me in 2 rounds. Eventually i did die and the dracolich evaporated - leaving behind its skull which has rez charges on it, DM chase had given me a reward for helping Both of us have some fun.

For me I really like these DM interactions because they break up the sometimes grinding experience of lvling, and I also want the DM's to have fun as well, after all why shouldn't they.

So to sum up, i guess my advice is roll with the punches all will be cool in the end wether you die or get to say to yourself gee that DM through some tough stuff at me and i survived - everyone wins in the end if we all keep our cool.
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jyrtojard wrote:Altering posts aye? No wonder this server stays populated, issues like this are deleted and never seen. Rest be sured, I'll let people know.
Trust me on this, the more horn you blow here to try and get things noticed the farther the horn gets shoved up your backside. I was in a similar position not to long ago and my reward was a total ban which was if I recall correctly was about 4-5 months. So rant if you want but dont be surprised when your login both in game and forum gets deleted. Just an FYI.
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Indeed, DM interaction is more rare now a days, and in many cases sorely missed. In most cases it is a fun break from the continuous grinding of leveling, but there are times when you are not in the mood. Even if you are not in the mood you should be gracious and polite when you attain their attention. Even rudeness to an opposing deity can be in a polite and fun fashion. It is a game, so try to have fun with it.
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DM spawning has been part of this server for quite a long time. I like to think of it as story enrichment and godly culling. Some of the funnest times I have had are when a DM decides to interact with a group or individual. It makes you think on the run, so to speak. I don't believe it's done out of malice (except when its done by the evil deities of course, lol).

I've had multiple run-ins with Lloth (this after a 'discussion' over shout concerning her demon heritage that she took as disparaging for some reason... lol) and informed me that I was marked for death from that point on... and sure enough I had drow assassins loaded on me on three separate occassions... twice living thru it by the skin of my teeth and once getting slain. Did I get angry... not one bit... it was suprise, something to adapt to, react to. You felt like you had an interaction with a thriving world. Not to mention the countless times that we have had a Leona event occur, which tends to be epic in scale and absolutely enthralling/addictive in the amount of killing and rp that goes on.

I've also had Malar infect me and some of my friends with lycanthropy, driving us to run about and kill and infect other players all night long. Did it disrupt our levelling? Sure did. Did we get anything done? Nothing more than infecting other players and causing mayhem server wide. Was it more fun than levelling? ABSOLUTELY.

I've also had DMs give points on spell use or compliment a fight tactic or laugh at some pitiful attempt at a strategy (which honestly, I laugh when they don't work too). Its not personal, the DMs are just trying to enhance the world with interaction. It's a living, breathing game. It isn't static. Reacting to things that we don't expect make for that much more adrenalin.

And from a RP standpoint, why wouldn't the gods seek to test a mortal. The deities are fickle and consider mortals to be pawns on a chess board. Who are we to question what game they are playing when they move the pieces about. Perhaps the world would have exploded had Deneir not placed you in mortal jeopardy.
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Post by cRaZy8or5e »

Perspective is everything. If you don't want fickle Gods "interrupting" your gameplay and punishing or rewarding you, then you don't want to play on this server.

Even though this is listed under PW-action, there is a hefty RP element to this server, which imo makes it all that much more fun. I'm sorry you had a hard time with it jyrotard, maybe you should play somewhere else.

Lastly, disrespect towards a DM no matter their actions towards you can't be tolerated by them. I've played on this server for a while now and having interacted on many occasions with Deneir, I've never known him to act so hastily. I wouldn't be surprised if there was more to the story than what you have stated. However, even if that was the complete story, then you may have caught him on a bad day. It happens, they're human, all i can say is tough luck for you, hope things go better for you next time.

And to think, I just called him a softy yesterday. Maybe he's trying to change my impression of him ;). In that respect, maybe this is all my fault and so please accept my apologies 'jard.
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We had a DM spawning monsters in our guild hall last night, I think I died a couple times from them, and then we headed to Skara (I'd never been there before). After Ajantis reassured me that we'd probably be fine, I replied "You underestimate my ability to die."

Almost at that very instant I dropped dead of a DM kill. I laughed so hard I almost fell off my chair, really that hard. :lol: :lol: :lol:

Point is, you have unexpected things happen here on this server and it helps keep it fresh. If you're not in the mood, you can just say so, politely, on the DM channel and everyone but Mask and Auril will leave you alone. If you really want a server where there's no DM interaction...um...play the OC? :?

And, FYI, you just sort of painted a great big glow in the dark target on your hinquarters by complaining about this. I would bet the next time you're killed in a DM event they leave you on the floor.

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Post by Dalan »

This is a very interesting thread. It's good to see all of your different opinions regarding DM interaction.

Informative for myself, and the other DMs as well. Keep in mind, that we do try to memorize all the different players on the server, and their playing style.

I for one, will remember you, jyrtojard, and will do my best to keep from interacting with you.
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Post by Chernobyl_Glow »

I'll chime also because this is a very interesting thread. Perhaps, if you are new to the server you may just not have had enough time to see the fun side of this stuff. I'll give you an example:

One time (at band camp) I was in one of those great Sunday morning parties. About 8 of us all around level 35. We had just rolled from Alzarra to the Water Boss. We were an xp machine. Just as we killed the Water Boss we noticed that the Lord of Fire had appeared (??#?!). We hadn’t rested but we had to fight. We managed to kill him though (nice xp at about 600 pts). We got to start resting which cleared any remaining buffs. But we were interrupted by the Earth Plane Boss now. With no buffs or spells left. We were scrambling but we killed him too (another 600 xp).

Then the real fun began. The Mistress of the Skies popped in (Air Boss). Then a Crypt Chanter. And an Umberhulk from DWP. And A Pit Guardian and the list goes on 1, 2 then 3 & 4 at a time. We were running in all directions. Dying like crazy. Sometimes we were able to raise each other. Sometimes we just laid there. Sometimes Helm raised us. There were repeated shouts (in character) of “Helm Spare Us” “Praise Helm” etc. FYI – like Crazy said, its not primarily a RP server and such but frequently a little RP goes a long way.

When he finally gave up trying to kill us all, he ported us to the DM prize room (tails, wings, etc) and then ported us to the Halls of the Dead so we could continue on our xp parade (saving us a ten minute real time walk). He probably had spawned 20 things on us. Almost all of them were well above the appropriate level for our party. But we managed. Many of us were on Teamspeak and laughing like crazy. Chat was flying as fast as the combat log with stuff like, “OMG an UmberHulk RUN!! Somebody TrIP the thing!!” “Helm’s gone mad” “Where’s my weapon?”. I think two or three of the guys leveled during the whole episode and we all got about 10,000 xp in about 10 minutes which is unheard of.



The point being, by accepting the challenge, not being afraid of dying, doing your best and taking a positive approach about the whole thing,... we all had a great time, got a ton of xp and a prize to boot!! It is still one of my fondest memories to date.

Try to step back and look at the situation again. If you had used the spell tip he recommended would you have been able to stay alive and finish the monster with your friend? If your friend had raised you in battle instead of just continuing to tank (this also falling under the header of ‘play better’) couldn’t you both have done better? If so, he may have spawned more for you. Might have created a bigger challenge for you. And you might have also had a great time, gotten a lot of xp, and perhaps even received a good constructive tip.

Instead, you viewed it as an interruption to your “plan” of killing ogres. , thought that it was unfair and so on. DM intervention is commonly viewed as a blessing. Even when it doesn’t turn out like you hoped. I got smited by a DM spawned character on Tuesday for 1440 pts. Yeah. I died. But it was very cool to see a creature do that kind of damage.

So please take these views here constructively. Just in my opinion, if someone intentionally sends you a tell, DM or anyone else, I do consider it rude to intentionally not respond. Its similar to giving the silent treatment and basically an implied insult. I don’t blame him for taking offense but I hope you aren’t banned for long and get the chance to have a good experience with a DM. Unfortunately, they are becoming more and more rare. I know that the DM’s I’ve interacted with are fully focused on trying to make sure that You (or I) have a good time. We’ve been lucky to have Malik on with us lately.

Take care good sir,

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FYI. I’ve actually been considering becoming a follower of Deneir – God of Glyphs and Images. Having a deity with unlimited access to images of Jessica Alba could really come in handy!!

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just my personal take.

when ns4 was first starting up, we were told very specifically that the gods would only make an appearance when some one TRULY screwed up.

that, for me, is the main reason i came here.

i do not mind DMs playing pc toons. i do not mind DMs acting as DMs to spice things up.

but when a player doesn't like the unasked for interference in his gaming and says so, then

THE DM HAS NO HONORABLE RIGHT TO PENALIZE THE PLAYER just because the "god" (very junior grade) got his feelings hurt.

If u interfere as a DM, keep your tiny personal ego out of it please.


I came here to play NS4, not to be a toy for the DMs to amuse themselves with on nites they can't get a date.


There, I SAID it.

If we have to act like adults to you, you should act like adults to us....with great power comes great responsibility...

No, I don't condone being rude to the DM, but simply failing to respond to tells IS NOT RUDE. It's like a phone call. Just because u call, doesn't obligate me to answer.


hate on me all ya want, this is an old old old issue......DMs have to have restraint and respect for us too.


We populate the server and deserve the basic respect that is due us for the respect we give u.

If i violate server rules and get banned thats one thing....but ppl do that all the time and don't get banned. Dms even acknowledge that bannable tings happen and say "lucky i didnt ban ya"...

if ppl can be passed over for doing stuff that's LISTED as bannable, how can u ban someone for simply not talking to you when u talk to them?


come on guys..


a tiny bit of consistency plz

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Consistancy is on thing you will NOT find from the DMs. I played on this server for many years hardly ever seeing a DM. Trust me, this is an improvement. I used to be one of the ones who would complain about DM interaction but after taking a year off I look forward to it. As others have said it breaks up the monotany of grinding through the levels build after build. It tests you as a player, sometimes both emotionally and skill wise. You just have to weather the storm and it will reward you one way or another. The DMs are here to have fun and chances are they are merely trying to "enhance your fun" too.
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I apologize that you were not satisfied with our first meeting. If there is ever a time when one does not want interaction by all means say it, because that effort can go to a group who will appreciate it.

Intentionally ignoring someone is rude, and to me considered disrespectful, though I assure you my feelings were not hurt and did not loose any sleep over that. Also, jyrtojard karma has a bit to do with this situation as well. I cannot quote you exactly but recently (Past couple of days) I have seen several shouts made by you on how terrible the mod is and how bad the scripting is which is insulting to the people who put hours of work into the server, and also insulting to those who put hours into playing on the server. Had it not been for that I would have figured something on the lines of "Oh, this person may be having a bad day." However that wasn't the case.

Your ban was for 24 hours, after that you are free to come back or not to that is your decision, I assure you no grudge will be held by myself or the rest of the staff.

My regards,
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(Also sorry cat I accidentally deleted your double post trying to get rid of one of them. The mySQL has been acting funny sorry mate.)
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