questionable pvp behavior

[renarð]

Recently at the shadow legion relic cradle an assassin character has been helping other factions raid the SL cradle. This is annoying for 2 reasons. 1) The potential faction loss incurred as your own gaurds attempt to kill you for attacking the raider, and 2) they bound themselves in SL so that the return time to the cradle is nonexistent.

I have been informed by a DM that this behavior is legal, and that if I want, I can roll 40's in every faction and bind them in their home cities _expressly_ for the purpose of helping the shadow legion raid there.

This kind of activity is a negative play experience in my opinion, if a player wants to be an outcast of any faction, they should be unable to utilize the rifts of their former faction for binding or transport to the nexus.

Being as the only power I have in this matter is to post on these forums and to remove myself from play, that is what I have done.


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[Bishop99]

thats smart

[Fezz]

Geez not too keen on this 1. Can i use my NC pally then to defend the SL cradle ?? but hey i saw a dm use a SL toon today to try and defend the rk cradle as well so it must be ok ???

Some answers from upstairs would be cool.

[Lorkar]

Well, Renard as much as this sucks it has come up before and ruled legal but in poor taste. I for one would like the log-in of the offender so I can keep an "eye" out for him in the future. Please PM me with details if this thread gets locked so I can post them in our private forums.

[Alkapwn]

So I guess SL can have CoTs and PM's !!!
There was actually a ruling that this is illegal behaviour btw.

But anyone can go rogue in their faction nothing wrong with that.

[Lokey]

I'm all for stamping out meta-gaming.

How about: Relog when your relic bin complains = delete character? Log at badly wounded or held, Bigbied, etc... = delete character? Granted that's probably going to leave you alone in SL, renard

[Fezz]

*sigh*

typical ask for answers and get gibberish.

You guys make the rules we just try and play in them because we as players get into trouble if we dont. I simply asked if this kind of behaviour and that witnessed by the dm's toon is ok for ALL players to do.

The reply from anyone in authority is about meta gaming and combat logging, why is it so hard to get a strait answer on here ? Yes or NO ? can we defend the SL cradle with anytoon we want ?

[Korr]

Well its been noted multiple times of people of a particular fashion logging other faction toons to get relics. Never heard anything done about it before.

[Lokey]

It's simple. You want to rules lawyer, pay $15/month and play a game that has the capability of making a go at supporting it.

DMs mean well, but will make mistakes, not see or know all the details or apply guidelines inconsistently, and that's ok. For example Fezz, I didn't ban you for stunning lowbies on the mountain. If you want the rules enforced, you're already looking at finding somewhere else to play anyway.

(I can't decide whether the whole thing is more ironic or hypocritical. At least it's amusing.)

[priestofbast]

Has anyone here ever played pencil and paper D&D?

if u have

u remember the DM


he's / she's the one who is there to make life hard on the players.


not play nursemaid at the mall.


and i seriously doubt the PC in question was a DM


honestly, that bit is just paranoia left over from ns3

the DMs here almost never do that.

they busy.


catfoot

*almost*

[Dalan]

An enemy pc guarding a hostile relic cradle, or a faction pc helping others to raid their own/allies relic cradle, is not illegal. That being said, this type of relic tactic is frowned upon. BTW, do not attempt this tactic during the Defender of the Relic events!

Keep in mind, some dms may ignore this, others may get involved. The Relics were added for your pvp enjoyment, and the staff does not want to add more rules.

IMO, if I see this type of tactic, there had better be a good reason/story for it. If not, then you can bet I will discourage it.

Consider this; The player community we all enjoy here, is diverse. We dms reflect that diversity.

[renarð]

First off, I am not annoyed at other factions defending relics, or other factions helping raid relics. I am annoyed with _my_ faction being allowed to help raid _my_ relic. They wanna pk me in the city, whatever it's all fun, but they should not be allowed to interfere in relic games.

This SL player was raiding with other factions against the SL cradle. This resulted in all the npc's attacking the defenders when the SL players hit this person with hostile spells or actions. This effectively neutered the ability to use any area effect spells unless you had a desire to become KOS to your own faction. I almost killed defenders with igms before realizing what was going on. While trying to defend against the raiders I had to keep constantly zoning back and forth to reset my faction and get the SL guards off of me.

I asked a DM if this was allowed and he said yes, I asked if I could roll toons and bind them in their cities _only_ to help SL raid there. The answer was yes. I'm sorry, but if the staff here feels that making a toon and using it in a way that will inevitably result in faction loss (something that takes a hell of a lot longer to fix than XP loss in pvp which is prohibited) as well as removing the only negative aspect to raiding a player suffers (travel time), then we have irreconcilable difference of opinion on what constitutes legitimate pvp.

Where I come from those things are called griefing and even 12 year old Halo fan bois understand that; they at least have the ability to remove such a player from their team.

I'm not crying Lokey, I'm not deleting my toons. The system is broken, I'm attempting to explain the flaw in the system and why I won't play in such a system. My break from play no doubt bothers me more than the staff or server. I play for the pvp, if it doesn't work, then there is no reason for me to be here /shrug

[Fezz]

LOL

The reason you did not ban me for stunning lowbies on the mountain is maybe becaue 1. its allowed and set out so even I can understand that rule.

And 2. i never broke said rule.

PM if you wanna get into it further, it seems you have a problem with me in particular Loki and thats ok too but singleing me out with a non explained "stun ppl on the mountain" is a bit rich.

Like i said make the rules, and ill play within them, like i always have for almost 5 years.

Dalatian - thank you for the clear easy to understand response, its official you CAN use your NC toon to defend SL and individual dm will have individual reactions. Thats cool keeps us on our toes.

[Rainswept]

Sounds like the next guild will be called the DFL...

Dwarves for Lolth

[disastro]

Dalatian - thank you for the clear easy to understand response, its official you CAN use your NC toon to defend SL and individual dm will have individual reactions. Thats cool keeps us on our toes.

this was never in question. the question revolves around raiding your own faction and forcing faction loss.

for example, "Jana of Shadow Legion" teams with "NamesWithheld of AO" to raid Shadow Legion. (Nobody has any problem with this.)

"Saurus of Shadow Legion" logs to defend, and is attacked by Jana. When Saurus counterattacks Jana, all the npc defenders in the cradle room instantly turn hostile to Saurus. After killing Jana, Saurus auto attacks an npc defender: if the defender dies saurus will have.. issues. saurus has temporarily lost faction and can not defend, so he has to leave the zone.

rinse and repeat the above scenario because Jana is bound in menzo and is spam raiding.

it was ruled legal.

this is the question.

(i guess we should pick one thread to discuss this in and lock the other)