Faction restricted class

[Terl]

There is an easy solution to this. lol AO lost paladins a while back because, well i dont really know because but anyway i seem to remember people saying a Paladin did not fit with AO etc.

Well take druid and ranger out of RK they dont fit either when you think about it, and look at the points made by others above + you gave RK gnomes AND made a new wiz favored race for them, GNOME are uber )

As far as the MA and spot thing goes, there must be some way to make a spotter over there, sure you wont get 4 att, unless you are hasted but trust me you dont ALWAYS need 4 attacks around, on here its quality over quantity. Checking the book - Rogue, SD, AA and Wpn Master get spot and You are allowed bard over there to boost that - one build comes to mind already A Cleric Bard AA with zen archery and boost boost your wisdom.

You can make a spotter yes, a competitor maybe. The cleric bard AA with zen archery would be great except that with all that boosting to wis you become an easy(and I do mean easy) target for anything short of a druid/Sorc/wizard dual wielding [censored] swords with no buffs. From what I have gathered Pally was removed for a more RP reason than anything. The argument was Pallys would never serve evil dragons. And a secondary reason(at least I thought so) was the Pally RDD build apparently was fairly strong (never saw one in action).

[Amoenotep]

ppsstt..alot of restrictions are "RP" given and based on real world cheesiness

[P. Fricebottle]

Well take druid and ranger out of RK they dont fit either when you think about it, and look at the points made by others above + you gave RK gnomes AND made a new wiz favored race for them, GNOME are uber )

Play Ragnar's Kin. Then make the suggestion again.

I dare everybody here who made a suggestion regarding nerfing Ragnar's Kin to actually play the damned faction.

[Go'f]

Is the Ranger/Assassin to cheesy ?

[Tsavong]

http://www.nsrealm.com/public/ns/viewto ... =23&t=1257

shouldent the documentation be updated as AO dosent have paledins where as the documentation says they do?

[Amoenotep]

alot of the documentation should be, yes, but hasn't...just gives you a basic idea

[Carejo]

I put all that stuff into the hands of the Staff, and don't feel strongly either way. Balancing classes has plagued every MMORPG since God created them, and so over the years I've just grown to accept that I'm not a creator of the game. What I envision doesn't necessarily mean it's what they envision, or even correct. I've learned to just make the most of what I have at my disposal.

[Nefarious]

well the pally thing in AO i care less of, but the person that said a pally wont report to a evil dragon, i have a hard time grasping. the main dragons in AO are good, the evil one i saw was his mistress, so futher explanantion is welcomed on this RP server. A lg pally can ignore a evil dragon, if the rest are good dragons, if he knows his leader is the LG dragon and "the LG dragon can keep his mistress in check" and the most of AO dragons ARE in good faith. If he sees this is and it is in check, he dislikes the the evil mistress, but his lord is a follower of Bahamut, then the paladin knows his true lord!!!


And it has been 4 years binkyuk = time for new AO jobs to even the playing field?

[trent]

I always thought that a LG pally couldn't ignore ANYTHING that was evil ... he would be driven to destroy evil.

[Fezz]

The point was made that there are no rangers in MA because they PUT themselves out there on purpose and use wizards to scry not rangers.

MY point and the other one was that the Dwarves put themselves under ground also to GET AWAY from everyone else and concentrate on mining whatever.

If someone is going to give a reason why 1 faction cant have rangers but nearly the exact same reason allows rangers AND druids in an underground kingdom then something is amiss.

Personelly RP wise and what not there are druids undeground in D&D, they focus on arachnids and fungi etc in 2nd edition you could even take a kit for it.

so Basically i wasnt attacking RK at all BUT fair is fair. Whats not good for the goose is not good for the gander

[Terl]

well the pally thing in AO i care less of, but the person that said a pally wont report to a evil dragon, i have a hard time grasping. the main dragons in AO are good, the evil one i saw was his mistress, so futher explanantion is welcomed on this RP server. A lg pally can ignore a evil dragon, if the rest are good dragons, if he knows his leader is the LG dragon and "the LG dragon can keep his mistress in check" and the most of AO dragons ARE in good faith. If he sees this is and it is in check, he dislikes the the evil mistress, but his lord is a follower of Bahamut, then the paladin knows his true lord!!!


And it has been 4 years binkyuk = time for new AO jobs to even the playing field?

I guess I misstated it a little bit, let me clarify. All that come in to the Ancient Ones are either slaves or mercs(so to speak), pallys will be neither, whether or not the leader is LG. He will also not tolerate slavery.

[Binkyuk]

That's the way I see it. The dragons that rule AO aren't evil because they simply don't see the lesser races as real people. To them it's like domesticating cattle. BUT to the humanoids that join AO it's undeniably slavery, something that a paladin would never condone.

[-BannyD-]

woo! go slaves

[disastro]

while i do think that ranger in sl makes sense given the established backstory/rp/etc, you have to keep in mind that there's another BIG reason for these kinds of restrictions as tep pointed out earlier..

faction flavor.

this way factions can be very different from each other in terms of what you can build. after you've tapped out all of one factions build possibilities, you can theoretically start toons on another and then you have an entire new area/perspective/set of build choices. it should keep the game fresh longer.

i think the reason the restrictions are questioned so often is because the devs perhaps don't realize how successful the faction/relic system really is (ironically partly due to the "flavor" thus granted). folks get pretty attached to a faction for a lot of practical and social reasons. so while its certainly possible to make many of the "restricted builds" by simply moving to another faction, that thought doesn't occur to most people or they just reject it. Factions are not really interchangeable in many players' minds (not all but definitely a significant chunk).

think of all the people who consider "themselves" as part of a faction, rather than their TOONS.

so i'm sure a similar question will pop up again in a few months, I just hope the management keeps in mind that these topics arise only due to the actual success of the system, before bringing out the flame throwers

[Blystos Re]

Well said, and totally true in my case.

The only time I've played other factions has been for NC-based lowbie quests.