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Something interesting.

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This is a little something I came across. I wasn't too surprised when I learned this.

I did know that way back in the 90's companies like Intel were contacted by the US senate to see if they would be willing to put in a government access inside every CPU chip. All manufactures refused stating that it would kill their business if people ever found out that this type of back door was inside the system.

So the US government went about it in a different way. This is what I came across.
Windows XP is at this point in time the most practical computer operating system - Vista is a Nightmare - Microsoft have gone so far trying to reverse engineer their initial mistakes the thing has become a bad joke.

Microsoft is 95% of the market - Microsoft is an Intelligence gathering mechanism - WWW really should stand for World Wide Wiretap.

Microsoft is Funded by NSA and basically Run by the NSA (National Security Agency)

Every Release of the Windows Operating System since Windows 95 has an "NSA-KEY" coded into the kernel.

If You want to have some semblance of privacy then use Linux - All Net traffic is analyzed by super computers anyway - But why make it easy for them ?

The analogy here is a Factory where you are the security man at night time when you are the sole occupant of the factory building.

The Windows scenario is you are the only security man given the run of the factory floor but not the offices and some utility rooms which are locked and you can't access them - You don't know what's in these rooms only you are told by management that it is OK and you are safe and don't concern yourself with what's inside these rooms.

- The Linux Scenario is You have the run of the entire Building all offices and utility rooms - You know exactly what's in them - you know them inside out - nothing is hidden from you - You have all the keys and you do the locking-up and All security checks.

Where would You prefer to spend the night as a Security Man - The Windows or Linux Factory ?
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Re: Something interesting.

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Sorry but that's a bunch of FUD.

Vista is far more secure than XP can ever be, and there's no NSA backdoors, that's for people with tinfoil hats. Even if Windows isn't open sourced, it can be disassembled (and has been) and there's no place for a backdoor to hide, and trying to add one would be suicide since it would be found. I'd say well over 95% of Linux users don't even know most of the stuff that's been installed, nor have any way of understanding the source code to the daemons or kernel that's running on their linux install.

Reasons why Vista is more secure than XP:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Security_a ... dows_Vista

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sarcastro wrote:Sorry but that's a bunch of FUD.
Always consider the validity of your sources and when in doubt, research it yourself. This one sounds like a chain e-mail or a random internet forum.
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If you aren't doing anything wrong, who cares?
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Lorkar wrote:If you aren't doing anything wrong, who cares?
Because the definition of wrong changes. Remember, oral funny business is a felony in most states.

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Try this: http://www.cryptonomicon.com/beginning.html (download links for text format)

It's long, it rambles (though Neil Stephenson rambling is better than most authors and certainly most op-eds/commentators) and as usual I don't agree with all his conclusions, but his stuff is always worth a read (even if dated as in this case). One of my favorite bits:
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sarcastro wrote:Sorry but that's a bunch of FUD.
Reasons why Vista is more secure than XP:
Well I should hope Vista is more secure than XP after the 1200+security updates over the years that xp has had.

Still a Linux/Solaris user is the most solidly secure OS i've ever used. And i'm MSCE and SCSA certified. The only problem with Linux you have to have "know-how" , Windows is a consumers OS and is frustrating for people like me. The warehouse analogy is pretty close to home. I don't know anything about "backdoor daemons" in Vista. I think it would be pretty obvious to any Network Admin of any traffic being logged to the same place from various systems in the network. We log all traffic outgoing to the internet. Its very easy to parse out suspicious behaviour such as that.

Microsoft has been fumbling their products for the past couple years. Too many cooks i think they say.
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You can force your PC/OS to log info that goes in and out, i love conspiracy theories but this one is a "no go".
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sarcastro wrote:there's no place for a backdoor to hide, and trying to add one would be suicide since it would be found.
Didn't you read kims post? Someone did :twisted: :twisted: In all seriousness, I'm no fan of Microsoft, but they are not so dumb as to hide a secret key for NSA to access any windows computer as NSAKEY. If they had put a backdoor for nsa in there somewhere, I*m sure they would hide it better than that :)
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Its not a question of "hiding". I can independently monitor what info fly's out of windows and what comes in, there is no chance for any backdoor nonsense. I dont because its a waste of time.

I would place this theory in the same column as -the world trade center was actually hit by the US government, roswell new mexico is hiding aliens in the basement, cow mutilations are aliens study'n how to make a big mac- ........
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well, kim, this country was a once honorable country ( US) but now it's slowly becoming socialist, not just with computers, but everything, tis a shame, i know, but the only ones we can blame are the empathic citizens in times past who had the power AKA "We The People" whp have the power, the government should be nothing but NOTHING but serants, at least according to the constitution of the US. the worst part of it all is the 95% of americans DO NOT read the constitution, and look at the counrty, look how we are treated, lok how are freedoms are being slowly taken away. Truthfully it makes me sick. but that's my opinion BASED ON FACTS, if ya dont believe me, i challenge you ALL to research it, i'ver had enough run ins with the law to where i HAD to research these things, ya can't argue with writing my friends, it states facts wether ya like it or not :!:

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Read much? Guess not.

I only said it was something interesting.

I, personally would not put it past them to put in a back door. Of course Microsoft would never think of putting in any kind of back door or information gathering thingy. They so respect you right to privacy. That's why you don't hear anything about their former GWA piece of spyware that called home sending them your personal info if not more, that they auto loaded onto your system without your approval when you downloaded automatic updates or installed a new(vista) O/S.

We must remember the government wouldn't dare do anything illegally like listening to you without a court order. They, of course, respect your right to privacy and all that talk about illegal wire taps on domestic and international phone calls was just bogus. The senate hearings with former US Attorney Alberto Gonzales was nothing more than prime time news entertainment. Of course he never did anything illegal by approving non court ordered wiretaps on over 1.5 million phones and more. He was just following directives from the President's office. Like Nixon said, if the President does it, "it's not Illegal".

We have to remember too, that the CIA or another government agency never approached AOL, Google etc.. to provide all there client's history of internet suffering. Where AOL complied without questioning and turn ovet tens of thousands of IP'S internet tracking records and Google told them where they could get off. And now the CIA is pushing for the government to make a law where they can get all/any records from any US search engine or IPS to see what you have been looking at on-line without any court order. The CIA complains that their super computers that are positioned through the world, which sniff very document transfered through the internet is just not enough. They really what to know what citizens of their country are talking about with citizens of other countries and visa versa. The news medias are/were just lying about that.

Yes, the US Senate hearings (back in the late 1990's) on trying to get a law pasted where CPU manufactures were suppose to install a back door so the government could inspect personal PC's any where at any time never happened. Of course they would never ever think of doing that.

And we do know that "If your not doing anything wrong you have nothing to worry about" makes complete sense. 320 folks in Gitmo are getting fair trials, were never tortured and have completely legal representation and where held justly without anything proved against them. Those we know about. The other 6 to 10 thousand folks being held in various north american prisons might beg to differ, We'll never know the exact number because the government has laws in place so that information doesn;t have to be released. That they have the right to hold anyone indefinately without being charged or revealing why they are being held. Plus they stop thiose being held from communicating with anyone anywhere.

No one has ever got to prison with a wrong conviction. All these folks that were proven innocent after 10 or 20 years sitting in jail were nothing more than a mistake that was corrected. No one has ever been transported by any government agency to a prison in a country where torture is the standard for interrogation. No citizen has ever been kidnapped by our governments and take to a 3rd country again where torture was used for interrogation.

Yes, various policing agency's would never ever construct false evidence to get someone they wanted to get. We all get treated with bind justice. We don't live in a time where, what was once considered Police Brutality and if proven got police fired is now classified as Standard Procedure.
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Look I post stuff from time to time not to start agreements or to cause controversy, but to say "Maybe there is more to this then what meets the eye."

This idea that if your not doing anything wrong so you have nothing to worry about is extremely dangerous. And they one folks who truly know how dangerous it is are those who had themselves or a family member or a close friend that had that belief go through constructed evidence for some unknown reason and paid the price.

Edger J. Hoover, one time/ long time director of the F.B.I. could get away with anything he wanted. How he managed such power is that he had anyone and everyone in power that could do something about it or stop him investigated to the point of where he could bring up something that would destroy their career or have enough information that he could make nothing look like something and destrory their lives.

Look at what happens to school teachers who are accused of sexual assault by one of their students. Even if it is discovered that the student out right lied, that the charges were 100% bogus and proven to be so in a court of law. That teacher is 100% innocent their career in teaching is over. No school board is willing to take the chance. Plus the majority of people in the community look upon that teacher with suspicion and some got to the extent of harassing the former teacher and their family because they too are of the belief: "If you didn't do anything wrong then why would you have been charged?"

Keep in mind that how governments anywhere keep control of their people in 2 ways. By keeping them poor/needy and dependent on the government or through information. Which group are you in?

I don't fear for us. I fear for our grandchildren. The day is coming and you can see the signs all over, if your willing to look at what is today and what was yesterday. Then do the math to see where it is all leading to for tomorrow, you might see that there maybe more truth to those conspiracy theories than not.

I fear that it is more likely than not, that our grandchildren will look back on the days of Hitler's Secret Police, the Gestapo, in Nazi Germany and call then the Good Old Days.

So do some reading on how various social orders evolved not only in your own country but in other countries too and you'll see the pattern. And keep in ind that some of us were around when things happened. Some of us very much remember watch the Beatles on the first North American appearance on the Ed Sullivan Show. We remember watching Neil Armstrong walking on the moon. the nightmare of Apollo 13. We remember watching John F. Kennedy getting shot, Lyndon Johnson ordering 100 thousand troupes into Vietnam, Richard Nixon's disgrace with Watergate scandal.

Never be ready to dismiss without facts. Read, investigate then form your own conclusions based on findings.

Thanks for letting me rant. Hope this was interesting reading.

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I am only going to comment on the one thing that really got my attention. The prisoners at Guantanamo are prisoners of war. A weakly defined war but a war nonetheless. That means they need not be charged, tried or convicted. All it means is that they were captured and will sit out the rest of the fight. They get no protections from the U.S. Constitution only from the Geneva Convention. They have no right to trial. Now the U.S. in the past has released P.O.W.'s in exchange for their own P.O.W.'s or for other considerations. But the U.S. will not bargain with anyone they believe to be a terrorist organization. People forgot that the rules of war seldom have any connection to the rules of law. The German and Japanese P.O.W.'s did not get any of the considerations that the bleeding hearts want to give the P.O.W.'s at Guantanamo. And some of those were even held on our soil. Some even stayed at the end of the war.
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Dont feel like responding to all of that but....

"Illegal" wire taps, thats just wrong, they were not illegal, the FISA court ruled that they were legal.

Hoover blackmailed people, he had power over the corrupt, so what, hes dead and gone.

If your affraid for your grandchildren, good for you, so am I. No democracy has ever made it once the citizens discovered that they could vote themselves money out of the treasury, enter all the social program BS we have now. As far as our grandchildren looking back and seeing the Nazi secret police and Gestapo and calling it the good ole' days, is naive. Your smarter than that Kim.

I like that you want everyone to investigate and study this stuff, but going to leftist conspiracy blogs and taking what they say as gospel is dangerous and silly.
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The NSAKEY in fact does exist in Windows2000/xp and fuctions as a secondary encrytion key to effectively "back door" but this can not be achived through a network. Physical access and Data decryption skills are necessary to hack it not to mention the actual key itself 1024bit encryption arent a walk in the park. This can be done through the primary key aswell which Microsoft owns. MS denies that they allowed the NSA access to this key but it was a named so as it was to comply with US export laws.
A serious pain in the rear if you ask me. If someone is going to go to all that trouble of hacking your data you probably have done something quite deserving of it.
Microsoft already collects tons of data about your computer and the files on it just by using Windows Validation and Update tools. Alot of other software that is used such as Virus/adware scanners do the something and can easily report back whatever its been programed to do. Not neccessarily considered a backdoor data collection since the user actually gives permission. Trend Micro's "House Call" for one collects terabytes of info every week. Your computer ID,IP's,File structure and names etc. etc. What do they do with all that info i wonder. It's free market research that can be resold to companies that will pay huge money for those kind of stats.
Cookies, search engines, "peer sharing services", even gamespy all collect data about you and everything you use the apps for. And it all becomes property of the app distributor, available for them to do with it what they please under privacy and protection acts of your area and the W3C . Its a 2-way street
You'd be surprised how many services you use are "public domain" . Encryption is key to privacy. You'd be surprised how easy it is to jack peoples IM conversations if they dont use encryption. Convience breeds complacency.
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burrahobbit wrote:I like that you want everyone to investigate and study this stuff, but going to leftist conspiracy blogs and taking what they say as gospel is dangerous and silly.
Just to let you know. These are examples (were information printed can be verified) of the types of "leftist conspiracy blogs" I read.

http://rawstory.com/news/2007/US_drafti ... _0114.html
http://www.americanfreepress.net/html/n ... undry.html
http://www.fas.org/irp/program/process/ ... 99-idx.htm

If you consider the American Free Press and the Washington Post (just to mention 2) as "leftist conspiracy blogs" then there is no source of information that would satisfy. Other sources are 60 minutes, 20/20, MSNBC, ABC and CBS news CBC/CTV news W-5, 5th Estate (which are Canadian). My information comes from both the left and right side, all credible news reporting agencies. Where info, again, can be verified.

Like I said, check it out for yourself, because there are non so blind as those who will not see. The information is out there if your willing to dig for it. Try reading some books from former government staffers that were in the Bush administration as to what they did and were attempting to do. :wink:
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