Does AB an DMG truly carry over from monk gloves to Dragon

Jack Black321_ns3 · Post by **Jack Black321_ns3** » Mon Oct 16, 2006 7:33 am

Hi all im new well farely new, An I just started building a shifter of sorts.. tho im a little worried that my AB an DMG (Damage) won't carry over from my monk gloves, I'v been told it does though when I tested the build on my test mod it didn't, What's more when I got bear shape, Wild Shape my monk glove AB an DMG didn't carry over to the bear, Which left me fearing that the AB an DMG won't carry over to my Dragon shape either. Which im like 10 level's away from, Though im abit worried im leveling up this far for a tank that can't do any good dmg judgeing on the bear shape. Therefore I thought I'd ask yall to see if the AB an DMG does truly carry over to Dragon form, I'v seen alot of Dragon's on the server an heard they were good for ac. though is the AB an DMG im worried about.. it does shift over to Dragon form doesn't it, I mean they aint like the Bear form just doing physical dmg eqivalant to the str an creature weapon.

Jack Black

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Please someone answer the post an put me at easy as is doing my head in pondering this specially being so far into the leveling.

cryodog2_ns3 · Post by **cryodog2_ns3** » Mon Oct 16, 2006 8:41 am

there is a special script for Neversummer for shifter and dragon forms. so yes on NS your monk gloves will carry over to your dragon ab and dmg. So the reason it didnt work on the test server is because this is a NS unique script.

Jack Black321_ns3 · Post by **Jack Black321_ns3** » Mon Oct 16, 2006 9:18 am

Cool thanks dude.. Though afew more question's. I noticed the Ab don't carry on While Shape so im just wondering what other shape's it don't carry on. There are afew to many to list so I'll just list my fav's.. Apart from Dragon form which you've cleared up. Other forums I like are Golems, Elemental's, Rakashas, an them little Fire warrior's the like's of which are seen in a pack of three in the first area circyle in lost hero's.. So i was just wondering do they carry on them or not.

Oh yes i also like the Undead form's they get crit immune, Tho they'de be no good coz if you use an heal you die, Unless of course you've put harm pots on the server to substitute as heals for such race's, Tho I doubt it not many think of that. Or use Vamps for crit Immune for that matter. Pale master as crit immune aswell come to think of it, Tho then again have you like disabled all crit immune feats on players, Or can we still get them. I noticed the undead in crypts have crit immune therefore players should be allowed it as well. Anyway thx for the reply an thx in advance if ya can answer afew more questions.

Jack Black

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I just tested to see if i was right about vamp's being crit immune an they are indeed.. Though what I didn't notice before was Constructs are also all crit immune. Is this still effective in ns or as your script made it in effective? Oh an as for the while shape Im a Druid not shifter. I only have the Wild Shape for druids not Shifters. That's what I ment. Though as for this crit immune if it works then I'll build me self a Construct.

DM PHANTASM_ns3 · Post by **DM PHANTASM_ns3** » Mon Oct 16, 2006 11:40 am

The risen lord shift has "harm self" 3 times a day i beleive so you can heal while shifted.

DM ex Machina_ns3 · Post by **DM ex Machina_ns3** » Mon Oct 16, 2006 12:24 pm

PM still gives crit immunity, but has special reqs--read the journal.

reggemS_ns3 · Post by **reggemS_ns3** » Mon Oct 16, 2006 4:22 pm

You have to look at the combat window to find your "true" AB in shifted form as the character sheet won't show you correctly.

Damage from gauntlets do merge, however it's more advantageous to equip a shield, weapon, and armored gauntlets before shifting as all these items also merge.

Jack Black321_ns3 · Post by **Jack Black321_ns3** » Mon Oct 16, 2006 5:13 pm

DM PHANTASM wrote:The risen lord shift has "harm self" 3 times a day i beleive so you can heal while shifted.

Well you learn something new everyday.. thx, Like I said I only go Vamps in undead form just like the style, Anyway as for the crit immune I take it is all still working which will come in handy against mega critters, As for Pale master I think is at tenth level you get crit immune you can make goodish ab an ac bard fighter pale master, least i heard anyway. Shall have to try it out. Even tho I been playing the game on an off for over a year now my preffered build's thus far have been monk fighter wepon master, Or monk wiz AA, Or monk fighter Assassin though that was a different server with different items. Different server's need different builds, Iv build afew here allready only got 2 to 40 though, An none of them can handle ec solo yet, Hopefully my Dragon form will, Should have 60 plus ab an 100 plus ac if im right.

Jack Black

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As for before I shift I heard if wearing heavy armor an a good shild an monk gloves then when you shift the shild an armor stats merge but count as robes an let you get the full wis to ac aswell an the monk glove's still give you six attack's, Which should be sweet.

DM ex Machina_ns3 · Post by **DM ex Machina_ns3** » Mon Oct 16, 2006 5:25 pm

no, PM doesn't work that way. no bard, and you require 10 pre-epic levels sorc/wiz and your 1st PM level must be pre-epic. it's in the journal (which no one reads).

reggemS_ns3 · Post by **reggemS_ns3** » Mon Oct 16, 2006 7:07 pm

Jack Black321 wrote:
DM PHANTASM wrote:The risen lord shift has "harm self" 3 times a day i beleive so you can heal while shifted.
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As for before I shift I heard if wearing heavy armor an a good shild an monk gloves then when you shift the shild an armor stats merge but count as robes an let you get the full wis to ac aswell an the monk glove's still give you six attack's, Which should be sweet.

Why bother with monk gloves at all when you can equip a shiled, a weapon, good armored gaunts, shift and get the benefits from ALL of that?

cryodog2_ns3 · Post by **cryodog2_ns3** » Mon Oct 16, 2006 10:51 pm

when using a shield you still get the monk bonuses in shifted form.... shh its a secret.

Jack Black321_ns3 · Post by **Jack Black321_ns3** » Tue Oct 17, 2006 11:06 pm

Yeah i noticed that tho the armor don't work as i thought.. How i mean is heavy armor got a natural ac of like 8 tho that don't carry when you shift.. Tho now I have another problem.. You say that the stats of your eqipment merge with the shifted form.. All stats I am lead to believe.. IE all enchanted ac an ab on the items.. Like triton gloves have ab of 8.. Now this don't shift to dragon form even tho is like enchanted ac on armor.. How i mean is I tested it to see.. I shifted into Dragon form with absolutly no items an i had 52 ab.. I shifted with my triton monk glove's which are 8 ab an i still had only 52 ab.. The ab off monk glove's don't shift over to the dragon form.. Is this a glitch or is it purposfully not carring to limit the ab on dragon.. I mean I would have as I first thought 66 ab.. Though I didn't get that after I reached 40.. Which left me wondering why is not as high as math state's it should be if all items an stats merge with dragon form.. Though then I relized that the ab off my glove's don't merge leaving me at 58 ab.. Which is ok but not as i was expecting 66 ab ultimate machine. Again is this a glitch or have you purposfully made it so ab of items don't carry over to Dragon form to keep people low on ab..?

Jack Black

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Red Dragon as 103 ac an 58 ab.. Ac will go up another 3 when i get a plus 8 ac sheild an plus 8 ac robes.. An Ab colud be 66 if the damn ab carried over as is suppoed to do if all item's are supposed to merge.. Whats more when I get Bullet Proof Monk glove's which I hear are 12 ab then my ab will go upto a wopping great 70 AB.. Thats as long as you fix your script to allow ab to carry over.. Though I think is this way for a reason.. So Dragon's are very good tank's who can't hit ****. (Dung muck crap poo number 2)(Edited to state what i ment in a more approprait manner.. As we all know people frown up the s word which describes CRAP)

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cryodog2_ns3 · Post by **cryodog2_ns3** » Wed Oct 18, 2006 6:52 am

not sure if you were looking at your actual combat screen. the shifters ab is bugged and it doesnt show true ab by looking at your character sheet. you have to actually look at what you roll on combat screen to see your true ab. as for items, there is a limit on ac for shifters and once you reach that limit then nothing else matters, but items do transfer in form.

reggemS_ns3 · Post by **reggemS_ns3** » Wed Oct 18, 2006 4:46 pm

Not only that, but damage and attack bonus from monk gaunts does _not_ stack with weapon bonuses.

So either wear a weapon/shield/armored gaunts, OR monk gaunts/shield/no weapon, your choice.

Jack Black321_ns3 · Post by **Jack Black321_ns3** » Wed Oct 18, 2006 5:50 pm

I just tested the roll's an my first hit was a 6/61=67 which means my ab is actualy 61 on my first roll right, Which is alittle better than the 58 i thought i had, At least im breaking the 60's. Tho i would be happier if i had the 66 ab i should get tho what can i say life don't allways go the way it should.

Whats the set limit on ac then coz im hearing people got 120 ac an stuff which just seem's ridulous as my dragon as only 103 which could be 106 max an im good builder there's no way i can get another 14 ac on top of what iv allready got, So please tell me the ac on shifters is limited to like 110 so i know their bloody lieing, I hate people who lie about their builds to make themself's look better, I never lie about my builds what i have is what i state, I don't like people who pervert the truth for any reason.

Jack Black

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Will my ab go up any if i get bullet proof monk gloves then or not? Oh an yes i do use a sheild an monk gloves as i find the dmg on monk gloves is awsome.. My dragon hit's for in the 100's per hit aslong as the enemy aint got dmg immunitys.

reggemS_ns3 · Post by **reggemS_ns3** » Wed Oct 18, 2006 10:20 pm

While I can only say for sure that with all NS armor and a triton weapon my ac/ab is 110/58.

I can only speculate from what I've read/heard from others who have them, but supposedly with Maharishi robes/belt/bulletproof gaunts it should be closer to 115/62.

Now if you've made a great build you will have 125ac with Improved Expertise. Quite respectable, and it does (I will regretably agree) make the build slightly lame.

(that and the fact that everyone seems to have one)