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But you did this to my hogre!11!!!! ... I'll have to build one that can actually hide someday ;) (Without trickery domain cheese!) what does this have to do with the topic ?! It's in the commandments. I can post my lame hogre builds anywhere I want. ...

Lokey wrote:But you did this to my hogre!11!!!!

I'll have to build one that can actually hide someday (Without trickery domain cheese!)

what does this have to do with the topic ?!

But you did this to my hogre!11!!!!

I'll have to build one that can actually hide someday (Without trickery domain cheese!)

... I'll be that much farther ahead in a good gaming environment. And just for fun...stop whining! It's supposed to be challenging! Maybe you should build better! Good job Devs! Way to go! Maybe you'll get a job with NS4 as paid staff one day! Woot! Bye to the people I liked, and the ones that I ...

... are open because 7th bigby doesnt paralyze. welcome to move-countermove. 7th bigby is probably the best balanced one out of them all. So every build ever is supposed to have 70+ AC? Scrap the paladin, scrap the fighter, scrap the etc etc etc yes. or be in a party. welcome to 9th level bigby!

... strippable, and the general run of a wizard is mords, then bigby, or bigby then mords. Either way youre left making checks without FoM. So every build ever is supposed to have 70+ AC? Scrap the paladin, scrap the fighter, scrap the etc etc etc If you cant figure out how to get enough fort save ...

i think you are using the wrong build options to beat bigby.

high ac for the 9th level one + fom for the 7th == immune to bigby

the secondary checks are irrelevant and definitely stacked in favor of the caster. so dont ever get to the secondary check

... to fist, bigby, wof, hips, assassin instajib, barb fear, harper sleep, and anything else viewed as powerful, just because you can't do it all in 1 build (no matter how many feats you throw at it) doesn't mean something is unbalanced.

... doom is way over the top. Like burra said there are many other things to look at. Top of my list is the wiz/sd cheese its a totally overpowered build (many have argued that being able to hips on any toon by just taking 1 lvl is overpowered) add the bigbies and igms and there is a build right ...

... specific, but oh well. Lokey asked for thoughts, I provided some, so they were not accepted. Just wont bother to make that cleric/creeping doom build either. Perhaps there is a druid combo that would match cleric combo. druid/monk/sd perhaps. Time to break the mold and try something new.

... raiders or defenders, using pure druid was not effective in actually stopping a raid or to raid. Ambushes was the execption, very effective ambush build but ppl started using alternative routes reducing ambush opportunities. Relics consistantly staying in one place doesn't lend to many ambush opportunities ...

... 1/2 wait evasion negates. 8th lvl Bombardment with DC 40 reflex for 1/2 evasion negates. 8th lvl Finger of Death with DC 34 fort save what lvl 40 build would not save against this? 8th lvl sun beam DC 34 reflex save to negate. 8th lvl sunburst DC 34 reflex save 7th lvl Fire storm DC 33? reflex ...

In support for Creeping doom remaining as is: I submit those that find it so unacceptable are the builds that are ill equiped to respond or resist creeping doom. Just as a non-spot/non-listen builds find any SD build unacceptable, out of balance and unfair. Its not the creeping ...

Try 9th level bigby on a high AC toon or 7th level on a high Str toon. Not all builds can defend well against bigby all the time but you will find some builds like these are completely immune to them. You say they are over powered but compared to similiar death ...

... looked into further. You may at the very least get an explanation of why the weapon was changed. I am sure it was specifically because of your build. ;-)